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Forums > Living in Kunming > Re: "Looking for highly professional teacher" ad

So if we would offer 16.000 RMB for a normal 40 hour work week, then the pay would be good? right

From what I know 16000 RMB for any school in Kunming is in the 'good-pay-zone'.
Am I right.

This a was for preschool teachers or people who want to be and have to desire to.

And preschool stress level is extreme so as I said before the teachers we have enjoy the spare time/salary ratio. And if there is a preschool teacher out there or if you meet one and ask if he or she thinks that the deal stinks.

We would like to keep our teachers, we want them to grow with us, get a career, and stay with us as we become larger.

And for that you need rested healthy responsible and professional staff. So again if you want to cash in on teaching preschool isn't the best place to start anyway.

The highest preschool pay I ever heard of was 33000 for an exceptional teacher in Beijing, and he was in charge of everything, he didn't last longer than 10 month before he was burned out.

Preschool teaching is exhausting but an amazing experience, the money is somewhere else in education.

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@Heller
Really I would be very interested in how much PRESCHOOL teachers make for teaching 40 hours a week.
And then compare it with 20 work hours 8000RMB.

I seriously doubt there is any other school offering.

There are 4 planned contact hours per day but most of the time it's more like 3 less.

Plus I really want to know who here makes 250-500RMB per hour working full time.

I am in the business for a long time and I know most well paying schools in Kunming and I know that they put a lit on at around 18-25000 RMB and thats top dog teachers with experience and far after preschool level. (IELTS excluded)

And as I said, if the new teacher is really only looking for big money, maybe preschool isn;t the right choice.

8000RMB/ for 80 hours a month is fantastic for preschool, it just is!
And that's why I advertise it.

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@Tonyaod
As I said before if you want more working hours at our school that is no problem.

Preschools focus more on educating rather than Teaching English per se.

And thus you need very professional teachers/educators.
Would you like to send your child to some bloke who has no professional work ethics, patience, problem solving skills etc.?

The good thing you have more access to teachers that usually would not be chosen by other schools because they could be non native speakers. I saw many teachers that have been rejected by other schools and totally blossomed with pre-kids.

And that's why I am looking for a professional teacher.

The demands for preschool teachers are as I stated, it's not just our school, it's any preschool.

As much as I know the best paying preschool is somewhere in the range of 10-12.000 RMB/month.
It's 8 hours a day and at least 6 contact hours a day.And since schools want to get their money's worth they make them draw flashcards in the afternoons and all other kinds of 'we pay for you- so do what we say' missions

About the calculation: the pay is roughly around 130-140 per hour if you go by contact hours.
But I don't think it's standard to calculate/compare a full time salary with a part time or freelance pay.
the whole idea of full time work is that you have a generally higher pay but lower hourly pay. But more security and benefits.

Sure you may get 250-500RMB part time gigs but then they will hire you for a few hours a week, no perks and security.

In the past, I also I earned double of what I earn now. But it was elementary school.Those jobs are out there I'm not saying it's the best pay in Kunming but it is the best monthly pay with benefits working basically part time hours in a preschool.

And to finalize the pay issue. We don't just want to get a teacher looking for money, only. In preschool you need at least a basic amount of enthusiasm for educating young learners. If you can't or don't want to do it even 40,000RMB wouldn't keep the teacher longer than a few month.

I know that at least a bunch of German and Dutch teachers would be interested in the job. Since their pay range for full time hours and even higher demand, is around 1300Euro= ca.10000RMB.

Our school used a system that is promoted by many international firms trying to decrease stress level and burnout syndrome. It gives people a good pay plus time for family, time to rest, recover, study, enjoy travelling, or if you need get more hours or find another PT job outside, while other schools let you sit in the office, where most teachers [professional or not] just mess about anyway, until the clock hits 5.30p.m.

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@Tonyaod
First I am happy that I could make you happy. That is very important.

It's sad that you don't even know the school or me but already have a strong opinion about how exactly everything looks like, over there.

I would recommend to read the ad again, to all posters. Would be nice, I mean it.

-First it's a preschool, and it seems like so far the posters have not much experience with preschool environment and teaching, or may just be bashing.

-23 years of age is a requirement to apply for a work visa.

-professional behavior and work ethics have absolutely nothing to do with work experience or education level. One is gifted with professionalism or not [or trained at]. But we also give inexperienced but professional, skilled and gifted teachers a chance.

-"The Pay" you should maybe read the ad again. compare working hours/contact hours and pay. I think you misunderstood.

-Please if you know any preschool that pays more than 8000RMB/month for those working conditions, let me know I am interested. lol
8000RMB is more than a preschool educator gets in Europe.

-Usually professional development means consistent training 'AND' career chances.
Also I am not quite sure why more or less working hours equals no career chances or limited retirement happiness.

-The retirement plan, I have not met one person that used China for a retirement strategy. Unless you work for a foreign entity. Plus it's regulated by the government...work hard...climb up...more retirement funds. Same everywhere.

-I will not go into details about why the school chose those schedule but professional teachers and especially 'highly professional' ones will understand and appreciate it, a lot.
Plus we had a teacher who wanted more work, so he worked more hours and got more pay.
It's not that there isn't enough work.

-All preschool jobs are high stress environments and mentioning it in the ad, is better than teachers being surprised how exhausting it can be, working with preschool kids.

If I was looking for 'hardworking suckers to take advantage' of I would have written an ad looking for a professional sucker.

But no! I am in charge of the foreign staff, including Professional Development etc. and I am trying my best to be professional and demand professionalism, coz everything else can be achieved through PD.

So I am still looking for exactly the person I posted before "Highly Professional Teachers [Educators in some countries]".

Please before you are bashing my ad or the school please [sincerely], do some research on how preschools are internationally paid and structured.
You can P.M. me if you have questions.

@Yankee

You couldn't be more wrong.
As [so far] all the other posters....sadly!

@Liumingke
I think you have a little calculation error there. A month has an average of 20-22working days, the pay is 8000RMB/month.
Please check again.

Look guys I am just trying to get good and professional staff and I am also known for trying hard to put my a** on the line to get what teachers deserve and protect them from all the chaos that schools in China can produce.

I chose to be honest rather than hand out fake promises.

So please if you have questions I am happy to answer them via P.M.

What you wrote is pretty much all wrong besides your personal perception and it's unfair.

Please, rather than just bashing, why don't you help me find a great teacher.

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@Alien
The problem is not just social but also transportation itself.

It would be hard to imagine to see an important surgeon getting ready for brain surgery hauled in by bicycle.

The cars need to be smaller and hybrids, or hydrogen run.

Carsharing apps and carbo footprint rewards could be an incentive. Also accident free riding, traffic assistance points for good drivers. There are plenty of ways to get cars to more use, but it's not the transportation but the people, riding 'em.

No difference if it's a bike, car, plane or boat.

I think the bikesharing idea is brilliant. And it works with the to expected hiccups rather well.

Sure there are some idiots using the bikes for spare parts and vandalize 'em but for a country and its people who are used to not care for the environment or about thy neighbor, it works really well.

I am often in the North of town and there are always mobikes available, plus you can spot them through their GPS system.

I also saw how they have been sunk in the river and mistreated or misplaced, but I see an increase of care about the bikes.

I see people intentionally putting them in places, easy to spot for others.

I think they are brilliant options for short distance transportation.

The size and physical features of the bikes should be adjustable, seats and handlebars for example.

On the other hand, if I plan a trip over 3 kilometers,

I wouldn't chose bikesharing,anyways.

I usually take them to my Walmart trips or to downtown and they are great for that.

The car thing, as a veteran car mechanic I think people complaining about cars are silly.
The car is a fantastic transportation method and much cleaner than people care to admit.

When I was in school we learned that cars have an efficiency quotient of 60% by 1989.
By today's standards I would assume it is in the 80% or even more.

Most air pollution didn't come from cars, but from production of electricity.
Water pollution from heavy industry, for example making batteries.

And we all know what the Fukushima power plant was for.

It's our customer demands, deciding if we buy a Smart 4/4 or a hybrid micro mobile, or the new flashy cheaper by a few hundred bucks heavy FORD F150 truck.

Some people jump on electric cars like they are Jesus reborn.

These cars are not clean at all, and never will be.
Unless you use your treadmill to recharge batteries out of cow dung.

I have a car, because I live in Dali and we need one, for short hauls we use the scooter, or the bicycle. Our monthly carbo-emissions are lower than our fellow city people.
So, I don't feel bad nor do I have to.

There is Uber, carsharing and many other options to use a car more ecologically.

Or use bike sharing, it isn't perfect but it gets you from A to B cheap with little to no effort and without investing in transportation or fear the theft of you bike.And it's fun.

I give it thumbs up and I also like to see tourists have a great time with these bikes.

Maybe these companies could add different options, like touring bikes for higher deposits or fees, and other upscale options such as frequent flyer miles.

@misfit
What you describe is more the job description of a referee or a judge.

A teacher should promote knowledge and information, nurture the student in a good learning environment, should be a fair and capable conductor of a large variety of teaching methods and tools. He should be creative in choosing teaching approaches and act skillfully on an interpersonal level, encouraging students and find ways to widen and focus a students interest, on academically and individually. A teacher should be fair and knowledgeable in many subjects beyond his teaching subject. He should build sufficiency and confidence in his students.

He should be a teacher, mentor, artist, buddy and counselor.

-That's my definition of a teacher-

The way you approach a students learning, wouldn't that be very restrictive?

I think a teacher should give opportunities, let students experiment, broaden the horizon of the students.

Putting them in a box with only the things students are good at, will bring the opposite of what you and I like, inspiration and knowledge.

If I told a student, that he can't play guitar because he is better at the piano, it would l make him a unhappy piano player, hopefully a great symphony will be the result of his depression, but it could also turn him away from music, because if he hates the piano, how could he ever be good at it.

So why not let him open a few more doors, and let him try the guitar, or other instruments he feels happy with. In the end practice makes a good musician, and what better way to practice, than loving the instrument you love and practice every free minute.

As other posters have written before, we have so little time with the students, how could I possible objectively, and with all fairness know, IF a student is good at this or that, in those specific 15 seconds I am judging him on that day?

What if I would have assessed the same question a day or just after a good lunch break?

I think we shouldn't close and lock door, they should stay open, enabling a return to.

In my life I have returned to certain passions and interests, skipping others and learning new things.

I think it is what most people do and naturally inclined to.

We were born learners, explorers and inventors, and choosing via a teacher-medium what one is good at will never bring excellence.

What learners also should be introduced to is rejection and how to deal with it.

When I was young and a teacher told me I could never be a fighter pilot, which was my dream job,
I took it for granted. When I learned what alternative ways are available to become one, it was already too late.

Now, I teach students to find out alternatives to reach there goals, and to extend their mental middle finger, towards teachers restricting their minds and dreams.

The probably best way is to switch between all sorts of methods, restriction and encouragement.

Some parents told me their kids enjoy a little pressure, while other don't. And often there are many available ways to use the right amount of each for the individual students psyche.

@misfit
I seriously doubt that Newton, Beethoven, van Gogh and the whole bunch of French enlightenment and renaissance are the product of teachers spending all their resources and time on them.

Most geniuses are developing through a hobby or an interest, very few get special attention from teachers. Then when having a certain level they become disciples or apprentices .

I would guess that 2/3 of all the excellent achievers are autodidacts or have little to no education. Also some of the amazing musicians in this world are not recognized as such, most people don't even know who Peter Greene or Eddie Hazel is.

Also I highly doubt that Einstein and his brain capacity could have received anymore new knowledge through knowledge induction, over him learning autonomously.

And as Alien states, why send the smart kids to a slow kids school, if they are such geniuses? Why wasting the dumb kids time with the smart kids incredible brain force?

There are many organizations sponsoring gifted kids.

That way you could start working there, or have enough time to deal with the loser-kids, not worth your effort.

But I guess then the average student deserving most of the time and the loser kids shouldn't be wasting the teachers time, right? lol

@misfit
How can you define by meeting a student 3 times for about 20 seconds per week, saying things they memorize as homework?

Is he lazy? Is he inapt? Does he understand? Is he on-level? Is he a bit slow? Or are my teaching approaches not stimulating him? Does he have learning disabilities?

I am saying the teacher should never be a judge on a young persons skills, development, future, or career choice.

His job is to give every child the same chance, disregarding his level. The tools and methods are out there. Online, in courses, colleges, training schools.

Let me ask you a question, why is it so important to be excellent at something? Is it better to give one or a very few students all your time and resources in hope they will keep on doing this?

Or isn't it equally great to give a lot of student a good education, over excellence. Excellence can also be self motivated. I don't think a little Beethoven needs a lot of teaching, I'd assume a little Beethoven needs difficulty, challenges, and different intuitions and style. I doubt that some of those parents with geniuses as kids go and spend a lot of money on tutoring.

Take first aid, if I had a crash being severely injured, I am happy with the random person, moderately trained as medic but capable of administering first aid. I'd take that guy to help me over waiting about 15 minutes for the fully trained M.D. to arrive.

As I tried to explain, teaching all students giving equal chances and motivating the underdogs does not take much more work than giving it all for the good students.

We are not used to it, or told this and that, on how to proceed with our classes.

Also we look at how we got taught in school.

In my opinion, the more difficult the class is the more you have to break with standards and traditional thinking approaches.

I have a question, what does it say if teachers only give their attention to good students?

You, the one who is naturally good at something, and naturally not needed much help, shall receive all my attention because you don't really need it. In order for you to succeed.

You who could most benefit from my attention, shall not receive it because I sentence you not worthy of my work effort. Because you will fail for sure, and all future efforts are a waste of time.

It's illogical to focus on 3-10 good students, and you simply don't need to. Because they need little to no motivation. Because it is easy for them. And they can work on their own.
So, why not help the students who actually really need it.

How much time do you HAVE TO spend on a good student, each class?

I mean it how much of your 45 minutes could you possible spend on good students form them to be more good? And how?

Mathematics, English, Science, Physics. I can't think of any subject, except maybe P.E., where you couldn't give hard tasks and work as homework or work at the beginning of the class, for all the Einsteins.

And then you can focus on the students most benefiting from actual help.

Maybe I am nuts but I have more time now than I ever had before.

Sometimes, I kid you not. I lay down all my tasks at the beginning of the class, get the groups ready find their challenge-mate and sit back there on my chair, reading a book for 30 minutes, observing, who does what, listening to their questions to the excellent students, them using skills and method to teach and share.
Win-win, they win grades I win time and observation time.

My teacher ones told me, - a lazy teacher is a good teacher-.

I didn't quite get what he meant when he threw me into the classroom at first. Now I do know.

All of my students made unbelievable progress, None of my students ever goes below a C. I literally have no below-average anymore.

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The probably most family friendly place. They have a spacious area with toys, crayons and other children entertaining materials around. The owner and the staff always have a little play time for the kids, at least when we were there.

If they would get a little play area for kids, it would get all my votes for favorite 'everything', at the gokunming awards. There is a playground (entrance fee, quite steep). So If you have kids it's the best place to hang out. The owner has a lot of kid treats for kids, organic unsweetened yogurt, etc.

The pizza is great, and could compete with other pizza joints in China. For my taste it's a bit heavy on garlic but, if you let the staff know they will moderate the garlic use.

I can only agree with the other posters. Prices seem steep but when you see the pizza, it makes sense. Portions are huge. I ordered a family pizza for a treat to 15 kids, we still had left overs, and we were all stuffed.

The dough is a bit thicker but the tomato sauce tastes fresh made, and the amount balances the dough thickness. It's always plenty of ingredients on the pizza.

So in total it's a great spot, with good prices and good and healthy varieties. If you are with kids, it is a really good spot. If the staff is busy or the toys are taken, just send your kid to the indoor playground, opposite. Watch them have fun, from the huge glass windows and enjoy a nice draft, or craft beer while munching on your tomato Frisbee.

That's why I am giving it 5 stars.

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...best coach I ever had and i practiced Wushu at Beijing University of Physical Education and with a few members of the Beijing Wushu Team.

He is sharp, he gets your daily mood and doesn't mind when you scream to heavens when things don't work out in practice.

He has very modern teaching methods and really wants you to progress. He won't just let you repeat every move until you get it yourself.

He offers free trial classes. You won't be dissappointed.