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Forums > Living in Kunming > Re: "Looking for highly professional teacher" ad

So if we would offer 16.000 RMB for a normal 40 hour work week, then the pay would be good? right

From what I know 16000 RMB for any school in Kunming is in the 'good-pay-zone'.
Am I right.

This a was for preschool teachers or people who want to be and have to desire to.

And preschool stress level is extreme so as I said before the teachers we have enjoy the spare time/salary ratio. And if there is a preschool teacher out there or if you meet one and ask if he or she thinks that the deal stinks.

We would like to keep our teachers, we want them to grow with us, get a career, and stay with us as we become larger.

And for that you need rested healthy responsible and professional staff. So again if you want to cash in on teaching preschool isn't the best place to start anyway.

The highest preschool pay I ever heard of was 33000 for an exceptional teacher in Beijing, and he was in charge of everything, he didn't last longer than 10 month before he was burned out.

Preschool teaching is exhausting but an amazing experience, the money is somewhere else in education.

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@Heller
Really I would be very interested in how much PRESCHOOL teachers make for teaching 40 hours a week.
And then compare it with 20 work hours 8000RMB.

I seriously doubt there is any other school offering.

There are 4 planned contact hours per day but most of the time it's more like 3 less.

Plus I really want to know who here makes 250-500RMB per hour working full time.

I am in the business for a long time and I know most well paying schools in Kunming and I know that they put a lit on at around 18-25000 RMB and thats top dog teachers with experience and far after preschool level. (IELTS excluded)

And as I said, if the new teacher is really only looking for big money, maybe preschool isn;t the right choice.

8000RMB/ for 80 hours a month is fantastic for preschool, it just is!
And that's why I advertise it.

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@Tonyaod
As I said before if you want more working hours at our school that is no problem.

Preschools focus more on educating rather than Teaching English per se.

And thus you need very professional teachers/educators.
Would you like to send your child to some bloke who has no professional work ethics, patience, problem solving skills etc.?

The good thing you have more access to teachers that usually would not be chosen by other schools because they could be non native speakers. I saw many teachers that have been rejected by other schools and totally blossomed with pre-kids.

And that's why I am looking for a professional teacher.

The demands for preschool teachers are as I stated, it's not just our school, it's any preschool.

As much as I know the best paying preschool is somewhere in the range of 10-12.000 RMB/month.
It's 8 hours a day and at least 6 contact hours a day.And since schools want to get their money's worth they make them draw flashcards in the afternoons and all other kinds of 'we pay for you- so do what we say' missions

About the calculation: the pay is roughly around 130-140 per hour if you go by contact hours.
But I don't think it's standard to calculate/compare a full time salary with a part time or freelance pay.
the whole idea of full time work is that you have a generally higher pay but lower hourly pay. But more security and benefits.

Sure you may get 250-500RMB part time gigs but then they will hire you for a few hours a week, no perks and security.

In the past, I also I earned double of what I earn now. But it was elementary school.Those jobs are out there I'm not saying it's the best pay in Kunming but it is the best monthly pay with benefits working basically part time hours in a preschool.

And to finalize the pay issue. We don't just want to get a teacher looking for money, only. In preschool you need at least a basic amount of enthusiasm for educating young learners. If you can't or don't want to do it even 40,000RMB wouldn't keep the teacher longer than a few month.

I know that at least a bunch of German and Dutch teachers would be interested in the job. Since their pay range for full time hours and even higher demand, is around 1300Euro= ca.10000RMB.

Our school used a system that is promoted by many international firms trying to decrease stress level and burnout syndrome. It gives people a good pay plus time for family, time to rest, recover, study, enjoy travelling, or if you need get more hours or find another PT job outside, while other schools let you sit in the office, where most teachers [professional or not] just mess about anyway, until the clock hits 5.30p.m.

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@Tonyaod
First I am happy that I could make you happy. That is very important.

It's sad that you don't even know the school or me but already have a strong opinion about how exactly everything looks like, over there.

I would recommend to read the ad again, to all posters. Would be nice, I mean it.

-First it's a preschool, and it seems like so far the posters have not much experience with preschool environment and teaching, or may just be bashing.

-23 years of age is a requirement to apply for a work visa.

-professional behavior and work ethics have absolutely nothing to do with work experience or education level. One is gifted with professionalism or not [or trained at]. But we also give inexperienced but professional, skilled and gifted teachers a chance.

-"The Pay" you should maybe read the ad again. compare working hours/contact hours and pay. I think you misunderstood.

-Please if you know any preschool that pays more than 8000RMB/month for those working conditions, let me know I am interested. lol
8000RMB is more than a preschool educator gets in Europe.

-Usually professional development means consistent training 'AND' career chances.
Also I am not quite sure why more or less working hours equals no career chances or limited retirement happiness.

-The retirement plan, I have not met one person that used China for a retirement strategy. Unless you work for a foreign entity. Plus it's regulated by the government...work hard...climb up...more retirement funds. Same everywhere.

-I will not go into details about why the school chose those schedule but professional teachers and especially 'highly professional' ones will understand and appreciate it, a lot.
Plus we had a teacher who wanted more work, so he worked more hours and got more pay.
It's not that there isn't enough work.

-All preschool jobs are high stress environments and mentioning it in the ad, is better than teachers being surprised how exhausting it can be, working with preschool kids.

If I was looking for 'hardworking suckers to take advantage' of I would have written an ad looking for a professional sucker.

But no! I am in charge of the foreign staff, including Professional Development etc. and I am trying my best to be professional and demand professionalism, coz everything else can be achieved through PD.

So I am still looking for exactly the person I posted before "Highly Professional Teachers [Educators in some countries]".

Please before you are bashing my ad or the school please [sincerely], do some research on how preschools are internationally paid and structured.
You can P.M. me if you have questions.

@Yankee

You couldn't be more wrong.
As [so far] all the other posters....sadly!

@Liumingke
I think you have a little calculation error there. A month has an average of 20-22working days, the pay is 8000RMB/month.
Please check again.

Look guys I am just trying to get good and professional staff and I am also known for trying hard to put my a** on the line to get what teachers deserve and protect them from all the chaos that schools in China can produce.

I chose to be honest rather than hand out fake promises.

So please if you have questions I am happy to answer them via P.M.

What you wrote is pretty much all wrong besides your personal perception and it's unfair.

Please, rather than just bashing, why don't you help me find a great teacher.

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@Dazzer
Could you give real examples, which would not just excuse lazy teachers. What you are trying to explain is still incorrect working in the classroom.

Helping a slow student takes merely seconds. If done well it takes almist none to no resources at all and students learn about community and human abilities.

It's something very important during these times. One would assume.

Not every horse is a race horse but a slow horse still can run fast.

What is it that eats up all the valuable teacher time helping a slow student?

You are just giving excuses for half assed teachers.

So if a kid has a hard time learning the abc, a teacher should give up rather than using a millisecond of brain capacity finding a new creative way to teach it. Like rapping the abc, etc?

I am sure that there was a subject in school that you didn't excell in, when you were a kid and a teacher took his time to help you through it.
So what are you talking about?
But you won't let others want to have that opportunity.

@Dazzer
Good kids don't need much help, especially not for any written test. What's the average oral language grading percentage for any of the above test? 20% -30%?

Let me get this straight, a student who is forced to join an English test/course and doesn't put in his 100% after 10hours of class a day, is a lazy?

What if your gf or wife forces you to learn the flute. Would you be all fire and flames for the class?

From what I remember IELTS pays handsomely, why don't you use any of the teaching strategies you learned in the course to teach IELTS.

So this 20% of horrible students which translates to six students at a class of thirty. If you can't motivate 6/30, then I would say it may be lack of motivation by the teacher. Students look at the teacher, if a teacher gives up, it is likely that students will too.

You say for them there is no hope even if you give all you have? Even though you get paid handsomely and your contract states exactly what you should do, you still complain?

I had lazy students as well, don't get me wrong but I always managed to get everyone to at least the motivation level to have very enjoyable classes for everyone.

Lazy students can be a pain but you. can turn them around.

I can't believe what I am hearing here.
80% of the resources? What resources? Time?

It very much sounds like a lazy teachers complaining. How is it possible that underachieving teachers complain about students being underachievers? Sounds very ironic to me.

If you are a professional teacher and you are that incompetent not being able to use the most basic of class layouts and pedagogy, it's just sad. But you shouldn't complain about the students. Maybe you should find better incentives, motivation or didactic to get your students to learn.

Most teachers in Finland, Sweden, Germany, France are pulling the 20% students easily through the grades, without one extra penny spend.

You can increase your students abilities by double digits, just by changing the seating order.

You can pull lesser achieving students by putting one or two excelling students with 2 mediocre and even more underachievers. Try it in your English classes here.

I was one of the 20%, and became a teacher because of all these jackass-soon-to-retire-teachers, focusing on telling you how bad you are because your suck at exams.

That said, every time I was able to get through my ADHD disadvantage, I was on of the top 5 students.

I had and have severe ADHD, which is on the autism spectrum. And was IQ tested 3 times, as kid as gifted.
I refuse to take Ritalin and other medz, because me and my parents understood, that if I need to function for others, then the system is messed up, not the students.

Most of the biggest influencers in the world, are school drop outs, or underachievers, because they understood that they don't need the system to make it big.

In central Europe agencies are popping up 'managing' Asperger and other autism spectrum "Dummies" as accountants and even ATC employees, because they never make mistakes.

Half of the artists worldwide have dyslexia, autism spectrum disorders, bipolar disorder, depression, -you name it.

I have been a teacher for 20 years, and I never had to leave one kid behind, because if you think out of the box and really care about the students, listen to what they feel and think,find their skill and interests and deeply care about the teaching mission, beyond pulling them through the next exam, you will be heavily rewarded and beyond that it isn't that hard. Just a little bit of experimenting, skills and logic with a little sprinkle of intuition and a huge load of care, and you will see the 20% can be easily moved into the top 80%

On a philosophical and sociology sphere, and as a society we have the duty to give everyone the same chances and leave nobody behind.

What if we don;t have the time to properly educate the 20%, who take care of the old and sick, fix our houses and cars, make sure the roads are fine, build our computers and medical equipment?

You really want to take them for granted?

Sounds not very smart, but I am only an underachiever.

I think 1939-45 there was a very selective education policy focusing on the achievers, and as I remember it didn't pan out too well.

Let's use the above numbers and spin this thing around.

If only the same amount of teacher would be good teacher as the wonderful lady in this article, as the amount of poor, lazy, stupid kids, -then probably 100 percent of all the students would be overachievers.

@ TigerTiger
Actually pretty much all of the 20% are disadvantaged or plaina** poor, which is THEE no 1 problem for most of most societies problems.

Go to one of these neighborhoods and talk to the kids in these classes and see if they are lazy and why?

I design and manage schools for a living and on a factual, philosophical level and educational level, and I am happy to say, that more teachers like Yang Boya appear, seeing the beauty in education and focusing on the progress of each individual student, beyond assessment, and the amazing things underprivileged and underachieving can achieve with the right amount of motivation and care.

@Dazzer
Why couldn't you spend enough time with the good students? What took so much time to teach the forkwits? Were they really that dumb? Or was your class off-level?

Why didn't the good kids assist you?

For example, it's what preschool teachers do, day in and day out. But maybe preschool teachers are just so dumb, that they actually make it work, even though they only need highschool diploma as requirement to become a preschool educator.

I would be really interested why your, plural, classes seem so uneven in terms of proceeding students successfully through their grades and goals. Because I never had a problem with it, and I have not been fortunate in terms of school choices and students in my classes.

Feel free to pm me.

The yellow pill doesn't help with all types of bad-belly.

According to our Chinese doctor, it's just for one type of infection.

For others it's useless.

You can buy medicinal charcoal online, or on your next trip home. It's very efficient and helps a lot for bad stomach.

I find the article very accurate and it reflects, most of our Chinese hospital experiences.

@macky
My pleasure, really.

I would like to ask;
If it's not even close to reality, then would you mind to elaborate.

As, I said before, I have done events in China, including Yunnan.

We got most green lights in the first two or three month. Only security plans, event parameters and permissions came through, in the last third of the process.

But we used alternative locations in terms of permission setbacks. And our connections were, let's say, substandard.

All parameters of our previous events were met and signed after latest 7month, including marketing and security, for 2000+ people.

It wasn't easy but very possible.

But I you don't want to talk about it publicly, send me a pm. I am quite curious. Because, I may be participating in an event, next year.

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If they would get a little play area for kids, it would get all my votes for favorite 'everything', at the gokunming awards. There is a playground (entrance fee, quite steep). So If you have kids it's the best place to hang out. The owner has a lot of kid treats for kids, organic unsweetened yogurt, etc.

The pizza is great, and could compete with other pizza joints in China. For my taste it's a bit heavy on garlic but, if you let the staff know they will moderate the garlic use.

I can only agree with the other posters. Prices seem steep but when you see the pizza, it makes sense. Portions are huge. I ordered a family pizza for a treat to 15 kids, we still had left overs, and we were all stuffed.

The dough is a bit thicker but the tomato sauce tastes fresh made, and the amount balances the dough thickness. It's always plenty of ingredients on the pizza.

So in total it's a great spot, with good prices and good and healthy varieties. If you are with kids, it is a really good spot. If the staff is busy or the toys are taken, just send your kid to the indoor playground, opposite. Watch them have fun, from the huge glass windows and enjoy a nice draft, or craft beer while munching on your tomato Frisbee.

That's why I am giving it 5 stars.

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He has very modern teaching methods and really wants you to progress. He won't just let you repeat every move until you get it yourself.

He offers free trial classes. You won't be dissappointed.