Forums > Living in Kunming > Chenggong to house 2.3 million university students?!?! 2.3 million students in just one city (Chenggong) would represent about 30-40% of the entire student population that enters university every year in China. Such a number would be unprecedented and something for the guiness book of records.
Indeed, even if such a large number of students were possible in one place, why Chenggong and why Yunnan?!! Wouldn't you think it would make more sense for such a "university city" to be located in Shanghai or another one the economic powerhouses of China, rather than some relative backwater like Yunnan?
Forums > Living in Kunming > Buying airplane tickets online? Best websites in China? Also, when it comes to the best websites to purchase international flights, it will depend on where you are going and who is flying there. However, you will be better off purchasing from the airline's website directly than an agent if you fly with such major carriers as Dragon Air/Cathay Pacific, Thai Airways Int'l, Silk Air/Singapore Airlines etc. from Kunming.
I don't think agents can get discounts on these carriers and undercut them anymore like in the past, except for student fares, which are generally not available from China anyway (except perhaps in Shanghai and Beijing or Guangzhou but even then only from statravel or flight centre).
Forums > Living in Kunming > Buying airplane tickets online? Best websites in China? It's almost impossible to purchase anything online without a credit card anymore these days (or an equivalent debit card with the visa/mastercard logo) so I don't know how you go about purchasing air tickets online, geezer, but anyway good luck.
However, while we're on this point, elong makes a big fuss about scanning and sending confirmation of your credit card details to "verify" the card before processing your transaction and issuing your ticket. I used them over a year ago to purchase a ticket on Vietnam Airlines to Vietnam for a friend without a credit card. The reason I didn't use the Vietnam Airlines website, which wouldn't have required all these documents is that we only booked the flight less than 24h before departure and as such, the VN Airlines website doesn't allow that, but elong did. However, long story short they accepted everything after talking to me over the phone but I do have to admit the phone calls and emails were frustrating.
Forums > Living in Kunming > How can I get English Language Television TV T.V. ? Nah, internet is not the way. Firstly, internet in China is slow as...you can barely watch anything from youtube even with a VPN...that's how slow it is (a show that is supposed to be an hour in length will take you 3 frustrating hours to download and by that time the VPN will disconnect). Also, a laptop isn't an alternative to a big screen TV where you can watch the EURO2012, other sporting events or just a good movie.
Virtually every hotel in SE Asia features English and other foreign language programming so I don't see why China should be any different and why we should "act" differently here in regards to something as basic and common as cable TV. In Nha Trang, Vietnam I counted some 20 foreign cable TV stations including sports stations (no Chinese ones though), although in Mui Ne, there were two Chinese language stations. Both cities have Russian channels though, to cater for the huge Russian tourist market.
I will try Jackchen's service or another one to see what I can receive here.
Forums > Food & Drink > Vietnamese food Haha I know what you mean @senorboogiewoogie about Chinese travellers in Europe. I mean, if you're going to travel, why wouldn't you try the local food? Also, I heard that Chinese people from mainland China don't eat "kung pao chicken" even though that is the staple of Chinese food found in Chinese restaurants in all western countries.
BTW I always try to eat a combination of western and local food. I have lived in Vietnam and usually stuck to eating western food for most meals, mainly because the quality is so good (many restaurants and cafes are run by westerners and/or have western chefs) and because away from the tourist areas, local food, while good is served in places with no atmosphere, like on a dirty street corner where you have to sit on 1-foot high plastic stools that almost break if someone like me sits down on them. We were also served lunch at work, but the quality of the food was pretty bad. There were times I couldn't take it and spent 1hour out of my 90minute lunch break driving back and forth between work and the tourist area to get a decent western style meal.
BTW the food scene in Laos is pretty good. The bigger towns and cities have a good selection of western style restaurants and bars with about the same quality food you'll find in Thailand (and prices too). Local food is good too, though rustic: think whole grilled fish, salted and with all the little bones still inside eaten together with sticky rice, somtam (spicy papaya salad), other grilled meats and uncooked meat in blood with peanuts and last but not least: duck embryoes.
Getting Away: Vang Vieng
Posted byYeah there are lots of hebrew speaking travellers in Vang Vieng these days. Same with regional tourists from Thailand - frankly given that Thai and Lao are nearly the same language I don't see how a Thai speaker can't read Lao, but apparently many can't hence the reason for the Thai signs you saw. Same in Thailand - at petrol (gas) stations near the Lao border, which are popular with Lao motorists you can see signs in Lao next to the Thai since there are some subtle differences between the two languages.
Getting Away: Vang Vieng
Posted by@Senorboogiewoogie, in Laos everything is flexible due to the power of money aka corruption. I was in Vang Vieng around midnight back in 2009 and it was still noisy in parts, but generally quiet outside the center of action.
Also, while perhaps not a good idea, every foreigner living in Laos knows you can sleep with a Lao citizen of the opposite sex in the same room if you are discreet about it and you'll only get in trouble if you piss someone off. I also think that the government only sees the images of westerners in Thailand and the Philippines "buying" girls at girlie bars and wants to maintain a more lowkey image, but naturally no Vietnamese or Chinese (or Thai) truck driver would be without his karaoke and Lao prostitute in the border provinces. The reality is that prostitution is as big in Laos as anywhere else, but maybe just a little less visible. However, in Vientiane there are large numbers of local girls with western or other foreign "boyfriends", or in genuine relationships.
Booming Southeast Asian trade necessitates bilingual graduates
Posted byHaha, well I don't think I was that pessimistic, and I do agree with you on some of your points - although being quite knowledgeable about languages myself, there is more overlapping of the dominant language from the more economically powerful country into the less dominant one than the other way round - i.e. despite what you said, there is very little Lao spoken in Vietnam, but the other way round there is quite a bit of Vietnamese understood in Laos. Lao officials on the Lao-Viet border can usually speak some Vietnamese, but Viet officials generally can't speak Lao. I have been there and know this for a fact. Same with Viet officials on the Chinese border - they can speak Chinese, but Chinese officials speak only Chinese and English, not Viet.
Vietnamese is also only understood amongst a very small minority of people on the Thai side of the Lao border, not many as you say...same with Thai in Myanmar but not Burmese in Thailand (except amongst the immigrant workers and some Burmese signboards near the Burmese border) in Thailand. As mentioned above, Chinese is quite strong in northern Laos, but Lao is non-existant anywhere in Chinese territory except when it comes to the Dai language, which is fairly close but not exactly the same language.
I've also found that the majority of South-East Asian Chinese language students here in Kunming don't speak much English at all for some strange reason. The ones back in their home countries that didn't major in Chinese are often quite good at English, so I guess there aren't that many polyglots around as you say - 2 languages seems to be what the average person knows and not more.
Although if we're on the subject of which SE Asian language to learn IN ADDITION TO English, which will continue to be important, then it must be Thai. Thai is understood throughout Thailand, Laos, western Cambodia and the Shan State of Myanmar. No other SE Asian language is as dominant as Thai.
This is reflected in the much greater interest amongst Chinese students in studying Thai than say, Vietnamese. I have met tons of Chinese students interested in, or with at least one semester of Thai behind them, but only two who had studied Vietnamese.
Booming Southeast Asian trade necessitates bilingual graduates
Posted bySounds good in principle, but learning to speak all SE Asian languages would require you to be some kind of linguistic genius and probably half a lifetime of devotion. Speaking only one of the languages from the region, say Thai or Burmese or Vietnamese, wouldn't help much in neighboring countries since each language in the region is not mutually intelligible with only limited overlapping...so such an approach would mean limiting your engagement to one country.
In parts of northern Laos and northern Myanmar, no attempts are made by Chinese settlers to learn the local language - everything (signboards, menus etc.) is in Chinese and locals [Laotians and Burmese] who can't speak this foreign language [Chinese] are left out.
Also, I don't think English should be forgotten - despite various levels of English fluency in the region, English is still the only global lingua franca and the global language of business. English is the only language you can successfully use in all SE Asian countries. While it's great to know Thai, Lao, Burmese etc. it isn't realistic unless you are living in those countries. I have also noticed that just like with English, Chinese learners of these SE Asian languages really struggle, and when encountering a local that speaks good English, the conversation will usually inevitably switch to English since the local will assume the other party can't speak their language well enough. It's only once fluency is achieved that this is overcome.
My recommendation would be for both Chinese and other foreigners interested in investing/doing business with the region to know how to speak English fluently, followed by becoming proficient in at least the basics of their host countries' language to at least show some interest and respect. Apart from those interested in becoming translators however, I personally think time and money is better spent gaining technical skills and then applying some language skills on the side - not the other way round.
I've done that and I'm doing quite well. I am an engineer that has worked in Vietnam and Thailand and I speak Thai and some Lao with an almost native accent (and can read and write both languages) - something that is of enormous benefit to me, but I have achieved this as a side passion rather than as my main job. Still, I barely speak Vietnamese and don't have the energy or time to work on it - in any case, doing business isn't difficult as most educated people there speak English anyway and I have a very good friend who helps me so it's all good. Ditto for Cambodia and Myanmar.
Getting Away: Luang Prabang
Posted byThere is an error in this article. Lao Airlines flies only twice (2) a week from Luang Prabang to Jinghong, not daily. They only just restarted this service recently and I highly doubt there would be enough demand for a daily service at this time. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if this service were to once again be suspended in the near future. Luang Prabang-Kunming flights are said to be restarted again in the near future too, but no date has been given.
Check out online copies of Lao Airlines' Champa inflight magazine for more details.