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Forums > Travel Yunnan > Renting a car to see Yunnan independently

Ha...it's not that complicated. As long as you can prepare for your driver license exam before you arrive and do some practice tests so that you will pass the first time around when you do the exam on a Thursday in Kunming, you'll be OK. I believe a temporary Chinese driver's license can also be obtained at Beijing Capital Airport on arrival quite legitimately, but why not go for the full driver's license from Kunming?

I have a Chinese driver's license and while I didn't pass the first time round, I did pass once I studied the manual in sufficient detail (my previous attempts helped me to score 89 and 86, just short of the passing grade of 90) - this was due to a lack of study and nothing else. BTW you have two attempts to pass during any one session.

Driving in China ain't easy, but certainly easier than in many other developing countries, particularly out on the expressways. It's a nice and easy way of getting around, although you'll have to factor in fuel costs, toll fees and possibly parking fees as well as car rental expenses if you're renting. Still, if split between a few people it can be remarkably affordable and a great way to see the country.

In short: do a search for the .pdf or word version of the Chinese driver's license manual on this site or google it and then go for your license once you're in China. If you pass, you'll receive your license the same day and it will be valid for 6 years - make sure you go at least a day before the test to register with all your documents and a Chinese speaker if you don't speak Chinese sufficiently to go yourself.

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Forums > Travel Yunnan > ATM Cards vs Machines -Which ATMs are best?

@Blade, basically there is only one Thai bank that does not charge you a 150Baht withdrawal fee when withdrawing money using a foreign issued card; that bank is Aeon. I am fairly sure that is the only bank in Thailand that continues to charge nothing - the 150 Baht fee was only introduced a few years ago and adopted by every bank except Aeon, before that it was completely free for all.

In regards to China, no ATMs should charge you a fee for withdrawals using a foreign issued card - at least the Bank of China doesn't.

Also, Bank of China does NOT charge a fee for withdrawing money from your own account using your Bank of China card in the city the account was opened. Maybe other banks do, but the Bank of China doesn't charge from what I've seen.

Beware that not many banks in China have ATMs that take foreign cards. The only three that are trouble free with foreign issued cards are Bank of China, China Construction Bank and ICBC (and foreign banks, such as ANZ which are only found in major cities like Shanghai, Chongqing, Guangzhou and Beijing). However, the limit per withdrawal is 2500 Yuan at the Bank of China and often less elsewhere. It seems that it is not possible to make a cash advance using your foreign issued credit card for more than the ATM limit in one transaction. This is probably a government law to put a limit on funds that can be brought into or taken out of China in any one day.

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Forums > Travel Yunnan > Get out of Kunming!

@crazy.laowai, the OP didn't want to go to Thailand, so obviously he doesn't want to go to a Thai island.

While there aren't any direct flights from Kunming to Vietnam anymore, it only takes 8 hours on a bus to reach the Vietnamese border town of Hekou and there are cheap flights on China Southern via Guangzhou to Ho Chi Minh City, from where Mui Ne is a 4 hour bus ride away. Nha Trang is a 7 hour train ride or 8-9 hour bus ride or 35 min flight away from Ho Chi Minh City. Great beaches, lots of backpackers, booze cruises and fun are to be had in places like Hoi An and Nha Trang. Everyone is in Vietnam these days and while it's not as wild as Koh Phangan on Vietnamese beach resorts it's probably going to move in that direction eventually. Alternatively, try Cambodian beaches.

Flying out of Vietnam to Europe is easy; there are plenty of direct flights. Vietnam Airlines flies non-stop from Ho Chi Minh City and Hanoi to Frankfurt, London Gatwick, Moscow and Paris. Air France also flies daily from Ho Chi Minh City to Paris and Lufthansa flies three times weekly to Frankfurt with a stopover in Bangkok. Aeroflot also offers a cheap connection from Vietnam via Moscow to the rest of Europe.

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Forums > Living in Kunming > Laowai in Beijing trys to rape girl...

Geez, some of these responses are starting to sound like every foreigner is playing up the "us" vs. "them" mentality in relation to the local Chinese. The reality is, for most Chinese around us, few of them have had much contact with foreigners and probably only in recent years have ever even seen a foreigner and therefore I doubt any would have some kind of pre-conceived negative notion of an otherwise well behaved, law abiding foreigner. The younger generation in particular, is far more accepting of foreigners than the older generation is as you can imagine. Not only are they more accepting, but they want to meet us and become friends with us!!

I have met some of the nicest, most generous people in the world in China and while sometimes it feels a bit weird, I don't go home deliberating as to why some kids screamed "hello" when I walked past (they did so cause they thought it was funny, no other reason) this despite it being very annoying for us. If you were to teach these kids that screaming "hello" is neither amusing nor respectful, then I'm sure they'd stop, after all, Chinese kids are very respectful. Similarly, the number of times I've shared a meal or a few drinks with a hospitable Chinese family who've always paid more than makes up for the annoying comments about how westerners have bigger noses and different colored hair from the locals (which is about as annoying as it gets for me, everything else is a piece of cake). Again, it's because of these differences that we get noticed in the first place.

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Forums > Living in Kunming > Laowai in Beijing trys to rape girl...

Well dazzer, that's because they're racist. Only racist and ignorant people would not want their children to marry "outside the race".

Besides even in this day and age, foreigners are still exotic in China and until China overtakes the USA in per-capita income, a foreigner is still a potential ticket to a good comfortable life in a foreign country for a Chinese person.

Also, I remember a story about how one Swiss man married a Thai girl in a village in the north-eastern part of Thailand (Isan). Within only a short time, about 20 other girls from that town also married Swiss men. I personally don't see any reason why this can't also happen in China.

Only difference is...foreigners don't like travelling to China because it's not considered "cool" or "fun" and there is a perception that no one speaks English in China. That's why all the backpackers are livin' it up in Laos, Thailand, Vietnam, Cambodia etc. and very few of them travel to China.

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This is crazy! Sounds like the kind of thing you hear about happening in the US, not China. Anyway, they were arrested quickly and yes, Liumingke1234, they can and most likely will be given the maximum penalty for their crimes. I believe in China 14 year olds can be tried as adults. It doesn't say how old these teenagers are, but my guess is they are certainly in their mid to high teens.

Very sad indeed...I hope the new tenant is also a foreigner who opens up a similar bar or restaurant to you guys. Good luck with the future and hope to visit you in Lijiang or Shangri-la. In any case, stay in China! Restaurants/bars like yours really make places like Kunming feel cozier.

@Peter99, I agree that there could be many more independent Chinese tourists in Chiang Mai, or indeed in many other parts of the world in the future.

I have seen many independent Chinese tourists, many travelling by themselves in places like Thailand, Vietnam and Cambodia. They usually have enough English to at least order from a menu though. It's kinda ridiculous for people like the young Chinese tourists above to not know what they "are ordering". If you ask me, except at Wenlie Jie and a few downtown areas, it's much more difficult to know what you are ordering in China!

Contrary to what is stated in this article, I don't think the Chinese can take away Thai jobs or properties because unlike in Laos, the Thais are fiercely protective of their rights and know what they are. Also, foreigners can't own land even if they become married to Thai citizens. With the exception of jobs requiring Chinese language skills, Chinese citizens wouldn't be able to find work in Thailand either and they can certainly forget about working in protected sectors like farming etc. so I think the fears raised above are unfounded unless Thailand opens up more but their restrictive property and work laws are probably in place to avoid such a scenario.

However, for now, the Chinese train project from Kunming through Laos connecting all the way to Singapore is not going to happen, but the Thais seem to be confident about a possible Japanese investment for some domestic HSR (high speed rail) lines in the near future. Personally, I would still put my money on the Chinese coming through eventually, but it might take 10+ years to happen so the original opening date of 2015 is now nothing more than a pipe dream given that the Chinese have now scaled back on HSR projects given safety issues, the resignation of the railway minister etc.

The road through Myanmar (Burma) from Mae Sai/Tachileik to China has too many restrictions on travel and since the Mae Sai crossing only allows travel to/from Mae Sai it can't be used by anyone planning on travelling overland between Thailand and China via Myanmar territory; thus Chinese and Thai/third party tourists/businesspeople etc. travelling overland between Thailand and China must go through Laos (or alternatively, Laos and Vietnam). I hope that with the recent positive developments in Myanmar that an overland route connecting Thailand and China and an upgrading of the Chinese/Burmese border post to an international one will happen, but until it does it won't become an option for anyone.

I wouldn't put my money on low-cost flight options to Kunming happening anytime soon, though eventually they should come through put this will depend entirely on demand for such services.

@invisible, the railway link from Kunming to the Vietnamese border has existed for like 100 years but only now does it look like it will reopen again after being closed for roughly 10 years now. As such, this will mean you can once again travel by rail from Kunming to Hanoi and beyond to Ho Chi Minh City. When it opens is unclear, but I'd say give it a year or so.

@pickley - hitchhiking is possible, but not really recommended due to the low cost of public transport and possible risk of things going wrong, though having said that hitchhiking is far safer in most parts of East Asia than in the USA for example. But you can still try anyway and it is surely a very interesting way of travelling.

I think Chinese truck drivers (starting in northern Laos, not far from the border) or Lao truck drivers (who wouldn't go much beyond Mengla) would help you cross the border, and then you could try flagging another vehicle to go further north. Alternatively, Chinese tourists driving themselves in southern Xishuangbanna or possibly in Laos itself might be willing to help you. It would be a good idea to offer some food, drinks or something for the ride and truck drivers often expect some payment anyway, but if you are nice and give them some food, cigarettes (if they smoke) or something else then that should make them happy enough without the need for monetary compensation. Every experience is different so you'll need to just try it out and see what happens.

@russell, it's Ji. There's a much faster way of translating English to Chinese these days and requires no travel outside of your own home: it's called google translate.

Anyway, from this itinerary it looks like the writer is about to enter Vietnam before he enters Laos, unless he backtracks first. Normally to travel from Kunming to Laos one would pass through Yuxi, Yuanjiang, Simao (Pu'er), Jinghong (Xieng Hung or Chiang Rung), Mengla (Muang La) and finally Mohan before reaching Laos. Of course while you can't cycle on the expressway, I have seen western cyclists on the highway between Jinghong and the border (there is currently no expressway there).

Therefore taking the backroads between Kunming and Jinghong would be the fastest way, but this cyclist's itinerary sounds more interesting and passes a more beautiful region of Yunnan - I too was very impressed by Yuanyang (hence my GoKM username right hehe), not to mention Lvchun and the Vietnamese borderlands before reaching Hekou.

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Horrible tasteless, thick-crusted "cardboard" like pizzas that are a far cry from what they should be like. Way overpriced too. Wine may be good, but why bother when the nearby Prague Cafe makes much better pizza at a more reasonable price?

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Great Mexican food and ice cream, excellent Raspberry smoothies and an overall good atmosphere. Can't do much about the low ceilings on the second floor, but the early closing time could be adjusted, after all, the nearby French Cafe closes at 1am.