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Kunming a good place to start for mandarin beginners?

Needles (4 posts) • 0

Hey - Coming to China to teach English. Everyone's saying Kunming is the best! It apparently has a tight-knit expat community - which beats living in Beijing for me.

But I'm wondering, since it's not such a large international city (well not compared to Beijing or Shanghai) if it'll be best for someone who has only just begun learning mandarin?

I mean, can I find many Chinese people there who speak English? How do you all deal? How was your mandarin when arriving in mandarin??

Anyways, thanks :-)

OceanOcean (1193 posts) • 0

There are plenty of language schools in Kunming (of varying quality). The Chinese spoken in Kunming is not as standard as in Beijing, but the language classes are cheaper and the Chinese Mandarin teachers usually have good pronunciation. If you are teaching at a language school, you'll meet English-speaking Chinese through your colleagues and get them to help you with everyday problems, although if you are studying Mandarin, you may wish to hang out more with non-English speakers to practice your speaking and listening. Kunming has a different vibe to Beijing or Shnghai - more relaxed and "small town". The weather is generally great too. I think you'll like it here.

blobbles (958 posts) • 0

The expat community here has probably grown a lot over the past few years (can anyone back me up on that?). I hardly know any foreigners here and see new faces all the time. In fact I feel like I only see new faces when I see foreigners!

Virtually everyone under the age of about 40 speaks mandarin in China with varying degrees of skills and accent. University educated young people mostly speak excellent mandarin, have studied English extensively but speak it averagely. However, the young people are getting better and better - I am amazed how good the young kids are getting at speaking English now - I guess thats a big ups to all you English teachers out there!

English isn't widely spoken or understood here - you definitely need to get some level of Chinese proficiency if you want to interact with locals. Some 20-40 year olds have done 6 months to 1 year studying abroad though and have pretty good English (or they have lived abroad for a while), but these are definitely a minority. Virtually everyone else speaks their local dialect and mandarin and you can consider them to have a low to non existent level of English.

When I came I spoke none. Learning isn't too hard though you just have to stick to it. Proficiency will only come however with potentially years of study and living in China.

BillDan (268 posts) • 0

Kunming is a nice place, but the people here do not speak standard Mandarin at all. My wife, who is from Jiangsu near Shangahai, says she has a hard time herself understanding what many people here are saying. She says they refuse to speak putonghua typically. They actually may not be able to unless they went to a good high school and college. Many people here have never even finished middle school so unlikely they will speak text book Mandarin or anything near it.

I get so criticized for my bad tones (and they are bad) and yet know now that local Kunmingers and Yunnan minorities do not use tones correctly or at all, since their dialect may not have tones or the same tones as putonghua. Many of my students are studying Mandarin (!) in order to maybe get a better job where good mandarin is required. Many students from KM laugh at the Chinese spoken by kids from farming villages the same as they do me, while my wife says they have nothing to laugh at really as their mandarin is pretty bad too and full of poor tones and wrong vocabulary. I was at a restaurant with my wife and and some Chinese friends of hers. They were Miaozu and they were asking my wife what all the different vegetables were called in putonghua, they did not know.

I often have a hard time when using even simple out of the book Mandarin (like when I say zenme shuo zhongwen 怎么说中文, or "how do you say this thing in Chinese", but all I ever get is "ting bu dong, ting bu dong!" or today I asked the shopkeeper that and he told me the price of the item, how frustrating. My Chinese is not that bad because sometimes they understand me and answer me, if my Chinese sucked they would never know what I was saying. Gasp.) but have found I usually get what I need. I usually ask taxi drivers and shopkeepers to speak slowly and use Mandarin, and they seem to most of the time. Other times they just hear me speak some Chinese and then they go off even faster and are speaking I don't know what. Not putonghua or Beijinghua.

Like blobbles said, you will need to speak some level of Chinese here. A good level of just survival Chinese is needed. You have to at least be able to give a command or ask a question. The listening is another issue altogether. I just tried to buy some guitar strings with a certain gauge and a magnifying glass earlier. All I hear is "ting bu dong... ting bu dong" from a sales girl with a shocked face. I found other people in the shop, used the same Chinese phrases and got what I needed.

Man, thinking about it, I really get annoyed by those laowai that come here and stay here for years and never speak any Chinese at all. But they soon have an entourage of students and teachers who do all their bidding for them. They sometimes will call here and want me wife to do some shopping for them or buy them tickets and arrange an itinerary . Yea, let me tell her to oil up the rickshaw and scuttle right over to your place oh great one. it has been a source of direct conflict with me and other teachers here for sure.

Even speaking decent survival Chinese here is not like it in Beijing or Shanghai (I have lived in those places too) where locals speak more English and/or Mandarin, and are used to hearing foreigners attempt to speak to speak Mandarin. In those cities I definitely got laughed at less and saw less shocked faces the moment I try to ask for something. My wife tells me I may be the first foreigner that that person has ever been fact to face to in their lives. They are genuinely shocked. I have noticed that after a bit they chill out and then are pretty nice and glad to help, but at first it can be frustrating and you may get a little angry, but try not to show it much andhave a sense of humor about it and go with the flow.

debaser (647 posts) • 0

kunming is fine for beginners and advanced learners alike. there are times when locals don't understand weird accents or what the speaker thinks is standard putonghua but where can you travel in china where that's not the case?? i get on fine here with my poor chinese. of course it would be easier with better putonghua but... life is good. i'm happy.

debaser (647 posts) • 0

beijing chinese is the language of pirates. if you want to sail on the Black Pearl then i'd go there. argh!

gbtexdoc (218 posts) • 0

Quote: "I often have a hard time when using even simple out of the book Mandarin (like when I say zenme shuo zhongwen 怎么说中文, or "how do you say this thing in Chinese", but all I ever get is "ting bu dong, ting bu dong!"

Next time try asking 用中文怎么说?Might be easier for them to understand. (Not criticizing your Chinese; just a constructive suggestion.)

Quote: "All I hear is "ting bu dong... ting bu dong" from a sales girl with a shocked face. I found other people in the shop, used the same Chinese phrases and got what I needed."

I run into that sometimes too. Always makes me laugh.

Geezer (1953 posts) • 0

I went to a Xinhua book store looking for a specific dictionary. I asked in my poor Chinese but all the girls standing around doing nothing kept saying "ting bu dong." I wrote out "我要买汉英词典,在那里?" Wow! my spoken Chinese suddenly got better and I was easily understood. "ting bu dong... ting bu dong," my a**.

Liumingke1234 (3297 posts) • 0

@Geezer, that's funny. Talk about selective hearing.

gbtexdoc (218 posts) • 0

I've had to use that "Geezer Method" too. Write things out for them on my mobile phone. Good trick.

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