The BJ PSB is actually working for the benefit of foreigners with all the required paperwork, and is doing what most countries do all over the world.

yes, agree, just doing what most countries do all over the world. Good for beijing and good for China. China is getting better.

rik dikulous, are you serious?

Seems to me that what you are doing here is part of the problem. "Chinese" are not some new species of exotic animal, they are just people.Locals, tourists from other cities, foreign workers, and so on. That they are not foreigners is no fault of their own, and has nothing to do with standing around looking at car accidents.

What you are proposing with this is really ugly. A suitable analogy might be something like the kind of internalized,reverse racism from the old days of the USA- "uncle tom" is the term, I think.

People crash cars in Beijing and other cities in this world every day or every week, by every kind of person. It doesn't matter really where that person is from at all. Car accidents, not the type of people standing around looking at them, is the problem. Why don't you write about that?

How many times does it need to be said, you are not responsible for other peoples' prejudices, and that includes the possible prejudices of certain foreigners against whoever. If you are not doing bad things to people, no one has a right to come down on you for your skin color, bad driving, nationality, or what have you.

And most foreigners get that, and therefore won't be prejudiced against Chinese because they stand around and look at car accidents caused by foreigners. And if they are, you should put them in their place, not apologize or create obtuse and ridiculous replies to innocent forum posts. Do you intentionally go out and smash up cars so you can rail against Chinese who stand around and watch?
My guess is no. Have their been violent pogroms against Chinese in foreign countries lately for driving badly, with a forum post like this being the spark that could set of a powder keg? Again, no. So this behaviour has nothing to do with you or me.

Ironically, by acting the diplomat, you are adding to the divide that you are writing about . Please stop.

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Awaiting another "holier than thou" forumn post that is soooo long in getting to the point its hard to remember where it started...

Don't wait - try the mirror.

Ha haa, good call :-)

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-18068366

I am not to blamed for people who can't be bothered or don't have the skills to read carefully. Zhonguo is a country. But Weiguo is not a country. So your clumsy attempts to twist what I wrote are just embarrassing really.

Your logic is as strong now as when you wrote the most amazing sentence I have ever read "To deny there is a cultural gap between China and western cultures is silly." Wow, so there is a cultural difference between different cultures? Great.

I mostly haven't replied to you in depth because your writing is so weak, full of sloppy assumptions, and you meander everywhere. You even said I misquoted you about harsh punishments when it is you who said "throw away the key".

For example, when did I act the diplomat?
I was accusing the lady from Beijing of trying to sound diplomatic.

"Foreigners" means people from over 100 countries, with nothing specific about them, or shared between them. They are, basically, the world. Chinese is far more specific, and isn't defined by a lack, it is defined by inclusion. There is world of difference here.

BUT!!!!
Importantly, I didn't even say Chinese people. I used terms such as "some Chinese nationals" to purposefully avoid racist or xenophobic overtones, and to tie them to a particular time and place (the PRC, now), and therefore to trends and attitudes in a given society, not to Chinese or Han ethnic people in general. Again, very, very different.

There is nothing chauvinistic or jingoistic about discussing trends in a particular society, among some of its citizens, and that is why I use terms like netizens, citizens and nationals. We can speak in the same way about British or Russian citizens today. But terms or semantics are not that important for people who were able to read, in good faith, my posts in the context of what I had already written earlier.

Funny how the ridiculous trolling of 123go just gets completely ignored.

I'm shocked by the reaction of some jingoist Chinese netizens all of a sudden calling every foreigner a rapist. I think it's racist to be more offended by this crime because a foreigner is the culprit. And even more to insinuate that it is something that only foreigners would do. And they do really talk like this on the Chinese forums!

I'm offended by the measures taken by the PBS Beijing, because they act according to popular sentiment and are confirming this ridiculously xenophobic point of view.

Just reminds me China obviously needs it's nationalistic citizens and every time I realize this I'm just so disappointed!

I totally agree. Unfortunately, nationalism is still the biggest religion in the world. But the bright side is that at least people are looking for an outlet to express themselves, maybe people will eventual weigh in on something NOT used to distract them from their actual reality.

Ha haa, I aren't embarrassed, you took what I said and blew it out of all proportion. I did the same. For example, I said laowai. We are laowai whether you like it or not. If you don't like the term, that's not my problem. Why you start attacking a person for using an innocent term that is in common usage in our environment is beyond me. Hell, you even used it yourself! I never said he should be treated different from Chinese. You suggested I said it.

You say:
"Foreigners" means people from over 100 countries, with nothing specific about them, or shared between them.

Which is incorrect. There is something shared between us: none of us are Chinese citizens. In my experience, many Chinese view us as one big group, not my fault, but that is reality.

Another example, I said "I hope he is locked up and the key thrown away." I did not say "I demand that he gets a worse punishment than Chinese people because he is lao wai". Who makes sloppy assumptions again? If you don't want to read what I said, or want to make assumptions about me, that also isn't my fault. You then take sentences I have written, take them out of context then using this as evidence, insinuate that I am simple.

I think the problem is that you started personally attacking me for something innocent. I don't know if you were having a bad day or something, but you force me constantly to defend myself against what you perceive as some amazing evil that I wrote. This in turn causes a tone for the thread which makes other people think it is OK to do the same. You are perpetuating flaming.

Think about it. All I posted was a news story about a lao wai tried to rape a girl and said it was bad. I posted it because it was pretty unusual to get that sort of activity on video and its pretty damning and also to highlight (on a foreigner website) the disdain I have for people who believe coming to another culture to abuse women is OK. As a result, you have since accused me of unskilled writing (we aren't exactly writing a newspaper here), sordidly questioned if I am a rapist myself, accused me of being racist and lastly of being unable to read.

Did your wife just leave you or something? Did your dog die? Did you stub your toe? You seem to have singled me out as a person to attack. Why? I don't know.

What I will say is this:

I am sorry if I offended anyone by this forum post. If I did so, it was completely not my intention. I am not racist or a supporter of rape whether it is committed by foreigners or whoever. If you were personally offended by any post of mine, please PM me and I will take you out for a beer and explain myself.

However if you are just angry at the world and are using this as an outlet to vent your anger you should probably realise this won't help. It will probably just make you more angry, bitter and stubborn.