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You will never be Chinese!

Haali (1178 posts) • 0

I think the point of the video, if you watch it all, is that anyone can become American, or British, or a citizen of most countries, after a few years of living in the country and jumping through the necessary hoops, which vary of course (Britain is one of the hardest these days due to the very hard test on Britain which most Brits couldn't pass). Because of that, some people (probably Americans) comment on their videos 'why don't you just get a Chinese green card/citizenship?'. They were answering that question. It's not their best video, but generally, the quality of all their channels is high in terms of production and content.

redjon777 (560 posts) • 0

@Napoleon I think you probably like being an outsider ;o)

But yes different points gained from the video!

Also nobody leaves their culture behind when they emigrate to any country, they just integrate it with the new culture.

A little tweak here and a tweak there, then they begin to fit in lol.

Dazzer (2813 posts) • -3
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itsa pitty you didnt watch all the video, coz there is much more about the green card thing in the second half. there is a law on it but nonone seems to get one. they challentge anyone who has one, or knows someon who has actually got one to get in touch. only examples seem to be top scientists etc.

also they note that anyone can become british american etc and be considered as such, social/cultural as well as legally butnot in china

Napoleon (1187 posts) • +3

I'm not saying anyone here is but it was touched on in the video, anyone who's argument is along the lines of 'But in America/ Europe/ My country ..... so A/B/C should be the same'

will always be on the fringes.

That isn't just relating to foreigners in China, but foreigners anywhere and is one of the mainstay problems of integration into another culture. A minority shouting the odds to a majority.

michael2015 (784 posts) • 0

Japan has similar issues with foreigners acquiring Japanese citizenship - it's quite rare - not impossible, just rare. However semi-permanent residence masquerading as permanent residence is not so difficult for professionals, with Japan-specific variations.

Mostly, the complaints and frustration summarize to "it's not like home, this country, that country, etc". China has its own unique style of bureaucracy.

The vblog does allude to workarounds - getting a spousal permanent resident's visa along with the the annual to long-term work visa. China does issue various flavors of multi-year work visas - they just don't dole them out like candy.

Living and working in China for foreigners is a privilege, not an inalienable right.

Naturalized US citizens CAN have their US citizenships revoked and there was a rare but well-known historical case in early US history of a US citizen having his citizenship revoked and banished to essentially permanent house arrest aboard a US naval vessel.

Geezer (1953 posts) • -1

"The Man Without a Country" is a fictional short story by American writer Edward Everett Hale, first published in The Atlantic in December 1863.

It is the story of American Army lieutenant Philip Nolan, who renounces his country during a trial for treason and is consequently sentenced to spend the rest of his days at sea without so much as a word of news about the United States. Though the story is set in the early 19th century, it is an allegory about the upheaval of the American Civil War and was meant to promote the Union cause.

Dazzer (2813 posts) • -1

point made was even in japan if i marry a japanese i can get spouse visa and work. same for most if not all developed and developing countries. im not even sure that they said SHOULD be the same, just emph not the same. the big problem with not watching all of a video and then writing the longest chain of long posts since god knows when on here, is that you then have to entrench yourself in your position to justify what you said when you went off half cock. a bit like people who get into big arguements without reading a whole post, or thread even

Geezer (1953 posts) • 0

With a few exceptions, anyone with U.S. citizenship will retain it for life. The exceptions include when one of the following takes place:

The U.S. immigration authorities revoke the person’s naturalized citizenship. Called “denaturalization,” this will happen only if you obtained your citizenship illegally in the first place, through fraud or concealment of a material fact, or willful misrepresentation.

The person does something that falls under the U.S.’s “loss of nationality” statute. This is found at Section 349 of the Immigration and Nationality Act.) An important thing to notice about this statute is that it contains some wiggle room: The person who performs the relevant act must do so “with the intention of relinquishing United States nationality” in order to lose citizenship. Here’s what the statute lists as acts that might result in loss of U.S. nationality:

Becoming a naturalized citizen of another country after age 18.

Joining the military of a foreign state.

Joining the government of a foreign state.

Performing some act to intentionally give up citizenship.

Committing treason or other acts against the U.S. government.

So, unless something on the above list fits you, the fact that you are living in another country should not affect your status as a U.S. citizen. If you are still in doubt as to your status, consult an experienced U.S. immigration attorney.

www.nolo.com/[...]

Clearly it requires some overt action by the individual, naturalized or native born to lose American citizenship.

Napoleon (1187 posts) • +5

Am I reading 'You'll never be Chinese!'' and failing to interperate it as ''I'd like to work without applying for a work visa - because I HAVE A CHINESE WIFE YOU KNOW!!!!''

What is it? One minute it's I would like Chinese Nationality, then it was nationality isn't important I just want to be accepted as a local in my new country and now we seem to have morphed it into I want to be British/ American/ Bolivian when it suits but I hate applying for a work visa in China.

Own up - It's just a moan with very little substance.

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