@mickey
Quite opposite. So this now, too? Chinese are all rich, live a luxury life, all health bills are paid, can do whatever they want, will never have social pressure?...How did I miss that? Maybe I was to busy fighting off attackers, time flies by when people try to kill you on "FaHuoLu"....lol

Man, I am so not up to date with whats going on in China.

But serious you guys are reidiculous. Look I get it, and I said before, I am not trying to ruin your China-dream, remember you need to show off when you get back to your hometown and tell them what a hero you were in China. So feel comfy [I actually, genuinely, mean that] but don't tell people actually living in China, with and around REAL Chinese people, day in and day out, what Chinese culture is and how to value it.

Chinese know much better what they want of their own culture. Don't be one of thos colonialists trying to tell them what they want. Didn't work out so great, last time.

Dudeson's, you know, you actually seem like a nice, reasonable person. I apologize for saying otherwise. I really like it here, and I do not agree with you about your assessment of China. But, that being so, you actually come across as nice, reasonable, and intelligent. So I apologize for allowing my emotions to get the better of me.

Dudeson's, and to be fair, I and some others do also live in the real China, around real Chinese people, day in and day out.

"Really, that is what is an indication for a miserable, unhappy, unfulfilled life in China."

Yes, actually. Well there are also other factors. But reading your posts, I would have to conclude that you're generally miserable living here.

Or maybe your personality is basically such that you think complaining is necessary because problems do not get addressed unless people complain. And that can be considered not such a bad thing.

@mickey
No problem....

But I mean it, a lot of Chinese friends even come up to me, and especially after a beer or coffee, they tell me what is bugging them, or they ask me how things are back in Europe and that usually leads to really great chats, and I have a chance, to really hear the Chinese side of the story.

As I said, we [laowai] could [more or less] leave, if things would get really bad. But they cannot, unless they are highly educated academics and the world just waiting for them to go abroad.

So how are things in Europe then? Nobody ever complains about anything there?

Sorry, but this forum is mostly neurosis, not objectivity. I'm outta here.

I am not miserable living here. I just don't buy into the 'all is happy China', I have seen really nasty things, people doing to each other. Let's say I have seen a very dark side of Chinese society and culture.

Saying what I saw doesn't make me negative or bitter.

If you watch a terrible movie, and talk about it, people wouldn't call you a movie hater and say, you should never watch a movie again, right?

So maybe see it less as complaining but giving people my perspective and my advise. E.g. Be carefull, -things are not as safe as they may seem, don't buy Chinese made cars, etc.

But also I act up upon the things, I disagree with, when they happen. I tell people to not smoke in the elevator in the nicest [annoyingly apologetic Chinese] way, to please not do that.
Sometimes, my wish is granted with a friendly apology, and sometimes I feel that deeply rumbling aggressing boiling up. But I am trying to be still as polite and culture apt as possible. Except somebody is really rude to me, then I will give them less respect.

And if they complain or start cursing I am telling them why I do, what I did, also with a 'meishi geme' and usually things are fine.

So, I am not some culture Rambo, pissing everyone off.

But also this is not what this thread is about.

China isn't what it wants outsiders to believe, it to be. Chinese know that and most China veterans have experienced it, and have adapted, as I did.

But adapting doesn't mean, [for me] to not talk about it.

Anyway, I don't hate China and I am happy. But I also don't mind changing things, when or where I think I can.

outta here? yeh, really.

Dudeson, not sure why you need to keep denying that you're miserable here as though there's some sort of shame. Sounds to me like you're miserable here and maybe it's justified. No big deal. Yeah, China has a lot of problems. You're right about that.

@OHW
OF course people complain, even refugee, escaping death complain, and why not.

What is wrong about saying out things that could help to make things better?

Why is it only in China such a huge problem, when a foreigner doesn't like the EVERYTHING of China?