@Alien "The blue dot does not necessarily refer to Mongolian ancestry, but to the more-closely related ancestry of many Chinese and many Mongolians - it relates to relative commonalities of gene-pool, not just to people classified as, or who culturall 'belong' to, Mongols." Wow, dude that is so deep and profund. Did you like go to Harvard or Cambridge or something. Every post you share is so imbued with intellect and high reason. I have to confess, I am at a loss and have to always refer to my dictionary to grasp at least 10% of what you are trying to say. Awesome.
Chinese DNA would be in this case Mongoloid or actual Chinese DNA, the strands shared by the people of the area China now occupies.
I don't know in which sense they said he is our ansestor, IE he is Chinese man No 1 or just generally "he is our ancestor". If it was the second than in which way could he not be? Taking that he is in some way of the human persuasion? He would represent the people who inhabited northern China at that time.
If it was in someway saying that human kind in China began with Peking Man then that would be another matter entirely.
@dudeson
That was interesting about the little dimples. I have pondered about that for a while.
Any idea what some of those long stems that some chinese people have near their ears came about?
'Mongoloid or actual Chinese DNA' is like a local variation in the saltiness of the sea - no borders, only generalized gene pools, cut to any size you like. Pretty much like a pizza, except that the ingredients in a pizza don't change and move around over time. Nationalists have a tendency to cut the pizza to the size and shape of the borders controlled by the government, and governments tend to promote this baloney.
Anyway, this applies to Life in Kunming only to the degree that most people don't understand it and many are into 'Chinese blood', just as there are people everywhere with similar folk beliefs. In China this has to do with the Confucian heritage (the state is a big family, the Emperor is your father etc.); elsewhere other excuses are employed, and often believed in (cf. Mr. Hitler's theories).
PS Napoleon: they're not dimples, they're usually a single brown spot in the skin at birth, usually right at the base of the spine - I think the ordinary name is the 'Mongolian spot'. Fades away pretty fast, I think.
@ alien
We're not talking about the actual dimples some girls (perhaps boys too) have on their buttocks or sometimes at the top of their legs?
Then what's that all about?
Nope, not about any dimples - I don't know what the dimples may be about.
It can be a dimple, or a purple or brown spot around the back of the abdomen.
And Alien Mongoloid is an old and nasty way to describe the DOWN SYNDROME.
And yes I am talking about way back not around BEIJING-man, but the times the landway dictated that the Mongolians were the first, or the strongest representation of ASIANs in the Area, and their society was more evolved society. So even if you look at it, from that angle, Chinese most probably are deriving from the Mongolians.
Either way, it's not what many Chinese think it is. Right?
@Dudeson
How could you say that Mongolia was more evolved than Qin, Ming or Tang China?
I'm not sure where you learnt history.
The Mongol empire was the result of expert horsemanship (riding while firing arrows) mixed with the best technology that China had at that time, gun powder, founded arrow heads etc.
As the mongols conquered China this then became (in China and SW Asia) the Yuan Dynesty. This was then founded on the existing Chinese principals by Kublai Khan.
You seem to be altering history or not looking into the events to which you mention in a desperate bid to diminish China's standing in it.
Mongolian Empires that spread along from East to west all adapted to the local customs of the areas that they were founded. They were allowed to go on as they had so long as tributaries were paid to the Mongol conquerors, which is why they left no marks, apart from their genes, in the territories they conquered.
Throughout their history Mongolia and China have all had swings and roundabouts one couldn't take presidence over another, even their very recent histories have common ground.
It wasn't under Mongol rule that the wall was built, the Terracotta Army constructed or Africa and Indian sea routes founded. It wasn't until the northern Mongol tribes were united that there was any resemblance of a nation of Mongolia at all, by that time China was well ahead of the game.
@Napoleon
....ah my french military genius.
read the histoy stuff again. no i am not changing facts to bash china.
first china didn't have gun powder. the koreans were first using it and guess where they come from? yeah, you guessed correctly from the mongolians.
actually you can still the different features in their faces. if you ever go to mongolia you will see, cheekbones, nose, forehead... etc. much closer to the korean, than chinese.
actually my friend studied it up to a master degree, he laid it out for me to the research up until 2009 at that time.
so a more evolved society is about weapons and inventions? wow america must be the best society.
the mongolians did something, chinese didn't know how to do. and that was to use their brains, use strategy vs. plunder and torture over gained territory. the mongols had a plan. they only went havoc on chinese.
they,as you pointed out, liked coexisting, progress and develop and it gave them that highland spot in peace for 1200years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! they imported buddhism and other helpful things.
it brought them to europe. while zheng he (whe is my hero...not because his wiener was chopped off) only made it to india until the emperor and admirality wanted to kill him for being too peaceful and the worst crime in china money.
the mongols based their society on things necessary and useful.
so yes as a society they were far ahead of china....even up to now.
i am not altering. go online whatever your source is and check again.
From Wiki:
Gunpowder was invented in China when Taoists attempted to create a potion of immortality. Chinese military forces used gunpowder-based weapons (i.e. rockets, guns, cannons) and explosives (i.e. grenades and different types of bombs) against the Mongols when the Mongols attempted to invade and breach city fortifications on China's northern borders. After the Mongols conquered China and founded the Yuan Dynasty, they used the Chinese gunpowder-based weapons technology in their attempted invasion of Japan; they also used gunpowder to fuel rockets.
Anyway went on line and it's exactly as John Mann said.
You're living in a fantasy anything but China world. Hardly Bamber Gascoigne are you?
