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Forums > Living in Kunming > English Corner

English corner during the summer? I don't think a lot of them run right now but expect an explosion of them in September, like every September!

Event list on Gokunming, definitely the way to go.

TCG-Nordica best english corner? That's a bold assertion :) Seriously it all depends of what you are looking for in an English corner, flirting or no flirting, basic level or advance level. Frankly I think that most English corners are pretty equals and their "quality" depends mostly of the balanced between Chineses and foreigners as well as a balance between student and young professionals. Having run a corner myself and watch one being run in my cafe, I can tell you that people are very feeble, coming one week and then not again for a month or two. It means that every time everybody spend their time introducing themselves (thus repeating endlessly the same things).

So unless English corner is an excuse to flirt, I suggest that you join some kind of social activities that will give you a chance to meet chinese people and practice your chinese, but summer might be the wrong time to do so, unless your trying to get with a slightly older crowd.

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Forums > Living in Kunming > Patriotism

Coming back closer to the initial question.

I agree that vocabulary limitation might explain the use of such a strong word and thus might not reflect the more subtle nuance of the feeling.

Dad of 3, I don't know your level in Chinese, but my experience (as a very poor Chinese speaker) is that poor command of the Chinese level somehow offend the locals, especially if you are settled here (a kind of indirect disrespect to the country and their culture). There is a general assumption amongst the chinese I meet that after 2-3 years any foreigners should be able to hold their own in a conversation. That could explain the differential sentiment towards your kids and your wife and yourself.

From various comments around me I also pick-up on the ambiguous attitude. On one hand Chinese people assumes that foreigners think of themselves above the chinese, bordering on arrogant, on the other hand the desire for a certain idea of western affluence is a very high motivation in people personal and professional choices. I think this is central to the chinese general attitude to foreigners and also help understand how "they" can "hate" foreigners in general and like some of us in particular.

We all have to remember that, with the exception of the 1980's, China has been mostly closed to foreign cultural interaction for most part of the last 60 years, only really rediscovering a world outside Asia in the last 10-15 years. This is the a long cultural road that will need to be traveled with the background of a governing elite that is very wary of the effect of outside cultural influence.

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Forums > Living in Kunming > Visas in China

Manalishi, your nationality might be an issue. Save yourself some money and time, give a call to one of the visa service in HK, tell them your nationality and ask them what is the best visa you can get. Keep in mind that it is common that a 6 months double entry means that in a 6 months period you can enter china twice, but each time for a duration of 30 days only, so be careful to check the length of each entry!

Yes American can get 180 days tourist visa, if applied in the US, but i never heard any other nation getting this preferential treatment.

And if you are French you definitely need to have some hotel booking and return flight booked in advance, otherwise they will refuse the visa. Sino-French relation are very good at the moment! Hotel can be booked on elong (which ask you to pay on arrival) after that they can do nothing to make sure that you are actually showing up in the hotel you booked ;)

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Forums > Living in Kunming > GoKunming redesign: we want your input!

First I would like to thank the team for the nice service they have been providing to the expat/student community.

Second I would like to point out that i think Gokunming is walking the narrow chinese line between censorship and information with kudos and providing those of us with poor chinese an unvaluable insight into Chinese news. I can't count how many times I had interesting conversation with my chinese partner because of the insight provided by Gokunming.

Here is my take for the site improvement.

1) resolution of the website is definitely too low, pick a higher resolution as your base resolution and offer the option to switch to lower res with a button at the top of the page. After all, this is mostly an expat site viewed from fairly recent laptops.

2) Current search engine is not very heplful

3) "Classified latest" and "forum latest" secction on home page are both too short! currently each can hold about 7/8 entries, on busy days this is what is posted in just a few hours. It would be nice to see the classified of the last 24hrs, or at least the latest 20 classified in just one sweeping glance.

4) Still about "classified", Some annoying people posts 3 times the same classified (often borderline advertisement), clogging the whole thing. Maybe it would be nice to automatically remove classified that have more than 70% of identical body text (leaving only the most recent one being posted and avoiding smart ass reposting the same under different titles).

5) Chingis suggested to start a "Heterosexual/ celibate life in Kunming". He should do it if he really think this is missing but frankly I think that most of the events and posts on Gokunming are done by or for single heterosexual. You just have to have a social life (go to language corner and night club) to have a heterosexual life:). I am pretty sure it is a little bit harder for Gay and lesbian to get together (hence the need for a forum).

6) I think it would be a nice touch to have a "Clubs & corners" section separated from the forum. This section would allow people to form more or less informal clubs, like the German expat club or the Hiking club or the Nordica Language corner club. Each club page would behave like a forum where people can inform each others of events or relevant info and there would be a page listing all the active clubs (at least one post in the last 6 months). I think this would be the addition that would nicely fill a big gap in the current community dynamic fostered by gokunming.

Thanks again for all the good work
Guillaume

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Forums > Study > Profit margins for Chinese-language colleges in Kunming

Tonyaod, this is indeed a very wild guess!

You are too optimistic about teacher qualification and what the schools consider a fair pay. Local and Foreigner teachers are not paid the same thing at all, you got the wrong impression coming from your own experience as a foreign teacher.

I have talked with several teachers from uni and private school and they all gave me the impression to be poorly paid, but none would put a figure. Their contract forbid them from disclosing or even discussing with other staff about remuneration. Off course most teachers will talk to each other but they can't all group together and complain about the general level of pay...that would indicate that they have disclosed their pay to someone else and would be ground for a fast dismissal for breach of contract. Charming, isn't it?

However, last year i talked with a former teacher of one of the leading private school in town. Most teachers are paid less than 2000rmb/month. If a teacher teach only 20hr/week that about 25rmb/hr, but most teachers will teach well over 30hr/week. Additionally, overtime worked is compulsory and not paid. During holidays teaching staffs are not paid.

Why to they accept to work there? Pay rate are pretty standard in the private sector and universities recruit only fully qualified teachers. Universities pay rates are a little bit higher but Chinese teacher in uni to earn fantastic money either.

So to go back to your calculus.

At most 6000yuan/semester for one teacher/class/semester (2000rmb by 3 months).

Your overhead of 30,000 are probably a bit low. I would not be surprised if they are doubled, because you have to include support staffs and premises cost. So i would put overhead between 45,000 and 60,000 per semester. I run a biz myself here, so i have a pretty good idea of overhead costs. However the overhead HAS to be divided by the number of classes, a school will not run with less than 10 classes, so that put the overhead around 4,500 to 6,000/class/semester

So this give us a total operating cost of around 10,000 to 12,000/class/semester. Pretty low you think? Well it is a number that explain why school can afford to run a class with only 3-4 student and still make a bit of money out of it. It also explain why it can be such a profitable biz, a class of 10 student brings in some serious margins!

So if you can get a visa by other ways than a school you should give a service to the teachers and pay one outside a school.

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Little piece of information: many landlords are not left out of the handover fees. A comon practice is to have a relative posing as the owner of the biz going out and pocketing the handover fees (after kicking the current biz out of it without any kind of compensation).

Handover fees have been going up drastically, but at least the biz that was moving in had a chance of recovering it and getting compensation for renovation cost when they were moving out. Many of the premises in wenlin jie area were dump before a bar renovate them and did something nice out of it. Any kind of renovation cost at least 200-300,000 rmb, so how are new biz suppose to do? Recover that investment in 1 year, ridiculous!

Starbucks integrating Yunnan coffee in its global supply chain is probably a very good thing for the Yunnan economy. It will raise the profile of the yunnan coffee and will also probably significantly increase directly the sale volume.

However at a personal level I would be dismay to see one open in Wenlin jie / Wen hua xiang. Starbucks have financial capacity that make the competition with local bar/cafe totally unfair.

Why is it a big advantage to have some much cash reserve? They can buy their shop, when most cafe owner just don't have the cash for that. If you own your shop you are not at the mercy of a landlord raising your rent by 50% and thus making your biz not sustainable. It also mean that you can afford to spend more in renovation and decoration because you know that you have 10 years to recover those costs, instead of the 6 years most local cafe have to count on (after one renewal, when biz is finally starting to be good, the rent can go crazy). Owning their shop also mean that after a few year Starbucks operational costs will raise only moderately (rent is a big chunk of operational cost) when local cafe will see their costs rise due to rent pressure. Owning a shop also mean that Starbucks will have far lower operational costs than most local cafe, making it way more profitable. Why lower costs, because instead of paying a rent they make an initial investment that they totally recover (possibly make another profit on) when they close business and sell the place.

Local cafe are mostly run by passionate people who love what they are doing and are not globalized corporation with huge cash flow. So it is sad to see cities losing their local cafe scene to Starbucks and the transformation of local area into "mall streets". I am not an anti-Starbucks guy, they brought a cafe scene in many places that did not have one to start with, but Kunming has already a cafe scene which creates unique cross cultural interaction and has grown to be an important element of Kunming culture.

It's greatly up to us, as customers, to support the local cafe scene by choosing them over Starbucks, if it comes to that.

Higher divorce rate is a common trend in societies that move away from farming based economy towards industry and services economy. Disturbingly enough, it is often described as a loss of moral standard attributed to some social disfunction widely known, for china the one child policy.

Sociologist, or your own careful observation, shows that it has more to do with the fact that women gain access to some level of financial autonomy, allowing them to break free (at least partially) from some of the most social pressure to conform to the established order. In short with their own job (even crappy ones) they can choose to conform or get away form the role of good compliant housewife.

My personal observation is also that Chinese men tends to have an attitude that will only accelerate this trend, as a lot of them have trouble breaking with tradition, especially telling their parents that "no she is not there to serve you".

Lastly, marriage in China induce a wagon of commitment and expectation from the family. It is easy to say i will support you when you get married but the harsh reality of what it actually means financially can be a serious strain for a marriage (try to buy a house for yourself and both set of parents before your 30 in today's China!). A strain not helped if the lady has some high expectation for her lifestyle.

Interview: Shxpir

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I love their mix of retro and futuristic, go check their website (www.shxpir.com/), its full of more good photos. Also check "the edge" website (edge.neocha.com/tag/shxpir/), it has funny narrative about some picture. A few photos there have a fairly homo-erotic feel and remind me of the work done by Pierre & Gilles.

This is not really the kind of image I associate with China, even its art scene. I also find refreshing the surrealist taste of their image. I think it has a diffuse feel of derision, mocking the current obsession with modernity and beauty.

Chinese Literature Prize

Gao Xingjian / 高行健 received the nobel prize of literature in 2000. The press release for the prize refers notably to "soul Mountain". Gao Xingkian was a recognized artist in Beijing in the 80's. However his work has been banned in China for many years and he is a French citizen since 1997 or 99 (depending on which bio you read). While in China he translated several major author in Chinese and while in France he has written several plays in French.

Nobel prize link:
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Actually there is nothing Bizarre. French Tarot is NOT the thing english speakers know as Tarot. French Tarot is a very popular card game in France, nothing esoteric about it.

So English speakers play a popular english game while French speakers play a popular french game :)

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We listen to criticism and improve ourselves. Now we have a new lunch menu, come to check it out.

Chingis and DanTheMan comments refers to an earlier post I did regarding a few bad reviews we got last years when we hit a bump in the road.