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Forums > Living in Kunming > Leaving China

I have tried the part time lifestyle but it is a real hassle maintaining 2 homes. In the end you are neither here nor there and you wind up going back and forth for some reason or other.

For me, moving is a means of expanding my travel perimeter and the last thing I want to do is come back where I started.

I am looking for a permanent move for a few years outside of China. I like that word - Stale or Stagnant - describes how I feel here in China for so long.

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Forums > Living in Kunming > Leaving China

Recently I have seen several ads for people selling (old timers here, not 1 yr students) things because they are leaving China. I would really like to hear the reasons why people are leaving because I also am nearing the point where I am looking for greener pastures.

My time in the Marines had me moving every 3-4 years so I am accustomed to pulling roots up and setting up shop elsewhere. I have been in China for 13 years now (Yunnan 11) and I have long had the itch to move on.

For my wife and I, work (income) is not an issue. The important thing for both of us is if we can get long term visas to stay in country for an extended period of time without much hassle. Not leaving any time soon (1-2 years later) but just interested in reasons why others are moving on.

Considering India or Cambodia or even Ecuador as possible sites for relocation. Ecuador (Vilcabamba) has a huge expat community and the US dollar is the official currency. My main reason for leaving is that I have been in China too long. We will eventually make our way back to China in years to come. Would really be interested in reasons why some other folks are moving on.

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Forums > Living in Kunming > Changing CNY to $$$

Alien, the rates outside the bank are better than inside the bank and I avoid the hassle of time (1 hour+) and copies of passports and visa.

The rates change every day, so no matter what the rate is in the bank, the women are always better, that is how they maintain their business.

The banks and the woman have 2 rates, one for buying and one for selling, still better than the bank.

The diff is tiny but when you change large amounts it adds up to dollars. Could be 10 dollars, or 20, or 30 depending on how much was changed.

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Forums > Living in Kunming > Changing CNY to $$$

Bridge - I realize that all this back and forth bantering may cause you confusion so in the end you will have to decide if you go in the bank where you will have 100% safety or risk it outside the bank. I dismissed Aliens comment for 2 reasons, because he was sending you to another branch which I have no experience with at all and because he openly admits he does not know about this topic nor does he have experience exchanging money with those people. The bank branch I suggested to you is because I have used them many times in the past to exchange money every time I travel and I travel often here in the last 12 years.

As for the other comments, read for yourself. Personally, I could care less about what happened to the friend of a friend in another province or country.

Bank is best and safest place to go, just bring a copy of your passport and expect to wait for some time but you will have your money in hand at the end of the day and this is all that matters. Fortunatley, you are not changing a lot of money. Good luck!

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Forums > Living in Kunming > Changing CNY to $$$

Thanks Bridge - this issue can finally be put to rest when you give us actual exchange rates given by the bank and the women outside the bank.

Exchange rates change every day but the women consistently have better rates than the banks so people prefer using them because it gives them better rates and saves a lot of time. Not to mention that they dont ask for copies of passport and visa.

No english required. You will see them carrying a bag with them and they have just about every type of currency you can possibly need. As I mentioned earlier, the have Kip, Dong, Baht, Euro, HK Dollars, and US, Canadian, Australian Dollars.

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As long as it is not harmful to the person or his surroundings. This is the most important fact - I beleive people have the right to hurt themselves as much as they want - go at it - knock yourself out and take all the drugs you want. However, All, not some, take others with them. It is never a victimless crime. When a father spends his time and money drinking rather than spending time with his family, he is causing undue pain on others not only himself. Especially in times of economic hardship. When anyone spends money on any drug rather then using that money to benefit spouse or children than there certainly is an adverse effect on others. I believe all people have the right to do whatever they want, AS LONG AS THEY DO NOT HARM OTHERS. Unless, a drug user is an only child, with deceased parents and no living relatives, then that person can take all the drugs they want. But anyone with a family (spouse + kids) is definitely hurting his immediate family. I dont see myself as a good father when I am buying drugs for myself yet neglect my son and deny buying him food, medicine, books, etc.

Yes, those who substitute illegal addictions with legal addictions are no longer drug addicts but can you honestly say that they have been rehabilitated and free of addicition? The answer is clearly NO!

When you see a loud mouth drunk yelling and fighting we call him an alcoholic but when you see an obese person you dont call him a food addict. The fact is that person does have an addiction. For those who disagree, then you are not educated on the real meaning of an addiction.

I suggest that if we can't come up with something a bit more original then we all drop it -

You can drop it any time. No one is forcing you to reply. Do not put words in my mouth because I never said addicts are Aholes. Those are your words. I just stated that rehabilitation is NOT as easy as many people here make it sound as it is a much more complicated issue. I offered many examples of what rehabilitation is NOT.

So what puts a nail on my coffin? What evidence is so overwhelming for you to come to this conclusion? The fact that 2 other people put their opinions which happen to agree with yours?

So let me tell you about rehabilitation. First understand what it means to be an addict and what it means to be in remission and what it means to be in recovery. So a cocaine addict stops using drugs but his smoking and pot use increases. He claims he is rehabilitated from cocaine. Next you must understand what it means to have multiple addictions and other undiagnosed addictions. Like a cocaine addict with a sex or food addiction or is also an alcoholic. He claims he is rehabilitated because he stopped using cocaine. Sorry!

Then we have the term Dry Drunk, this is a person who stopped drinking - we call it white knuckling it. He no longer drinks but he is still or even meaner then he was before when he was drinking.

Next we have the addicts who substitute an illegal addiction for a legal addiction. The cocaine addict no longer uses cocaine but he is now a 12 step addict. Everywhere he goes he must get his 12 step fix or he falls off the wagon in an instant. Or the one who becomes a bibble thumping Jesus Freak. He longer uses drugs but you can not get him to shut up about Jesus and how he saved his life and only Jesus is the answer. Same for those who become runners and now get a natural high. They still ignore their wife and kids and he must run a 10K every day, like a mailman, neither rain, nor sleet nor hail will stop him from running his daily 10K.

Just so you know, there are 12 step programs for any addiction. AA, NA, SLA and the list goes on.

So before you make a claim about rehabilitation you better take a look at the case file before you make such a sweeping comment.

I just believe, that no one has the right to decide who should live and who should be put to death. Especially supporting it by saying everyone should serve a purpose.

The right, the ability, the people who control us and do whatever they want with the people of the world, they kill whoever they want and they never ask you or I for permission. This happens every day all over the world, regardless of what country you come from or what people they kill.

Perhaps you are as frustrated and feel helpless as I do about this issue. Perhaps you are empowered in some way by directing your comments to me.

People are dieing all around the world in real life yet you voice this problem to me as though I am the one doing this. Just to let you know, I am a nobody. I am not the president of any country or the UN. I have no guns or weapons of mass destruction in my back pocket, and I have no means or desire to kill anyone.

I do not have veto power to decide who should live or who should die. I am not on a panel to make decisions about who lives or who dies. This is a public forum. Perhaps you should write a letter to the US president, or UN president, or the leaders of the EU in Brussels. As a matter of fact, the headquaters of NATO is also in Brussels. Govts, NATO, the coalition of the willing, the CIA and MI5 and 6 are resposnsible for most of the murders that take place all over the world. These people have given themselves the right to decide who lives and who dies. They decide who is useful and serves a purpose and who does now, NOT me!

I am happy that you are passionate about this issue but I hope you can realize now how ridiculous you seem when you direct this comment to me. This is a public forum. People say many things here. Some people will even debate for hours about how McDonalds is better then Burger King.

Just to let you know, I have never tried, experimented or used any illegal drug in my life. I dont smoke cigaretts or cigars and I think Canabis is a very special medicine that can save lives. Unfortunately, the potheads have a bigger mouth and msirepresent the people who see cannabis as a medicine rather than a way to get high.

I want you to realize that when any person makes any comment about any issue on a public forum, the ones who reply have a vested interest in why they reply. So perhaps you are offended or hurt because you are or were a drug user and you feel persecuted by comment or think I am roaming the streets waiting to catch you so I can execute you. Or perhaps you are offended or hurt by people who are killed by others. I am neither of these so come back to reality.

A friendly suggestion. The most ridiculous person is NOT the one who makes stupid comments on a public forum, but the other person who takes it seriously and responds as though it was real, truth or reality. Sometimes - it is better to be thought a fool rather than open your mouth and prove it.

I love how stupid people make a big deal over an idiotic comment on a ridiculous forum. Yet with all that talk Kate, you say nothing about what is happening in real life all over the world. No idea where you are from but all the crap you talk about coming from a country without the death penalty. Well where the hell is that place you come from. The garbage that comes from your mouth makes me sick. Wake up and smell the coffee. See the condition of the world and go join an NGO so you can bark at someone else.

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The new Visa office is located at 118 Tuo Dong Road. There is no number on the building yet so do not bother to look for it. There are 2 passport photo shops on either side of the building. The office is located directly in front of the Kunming Museum. The bus stop is named - Shi Bo Wu Guan - Bus 1, 62, 109, 117, 145, 213, A1 and K3 stop directly in front of the office. Foreigners need to go to the 3rd floor. The Tuo Dong Stadium is located to the right of the office while Baita Road is located to the left of the office.