OK vicar, but, thanks to all the publicity, I imagine his hands are well sorted by now, so I think this example of affairs should lead to understanding of a larger context - what about all the others? Probably not very efficient to deal with them one at a time, as they appear in the news (most, of course, never will).
@michael: Understand your concern but in fact I don't think this happens much - real problem is at a higher level.
Meanwhile, there is a bandaid effort made by some here which involves foreigners, I can connect you.
@dolphin: The fact is you don't have a convincing alternative to the evolutionary explanation of fossils embedded in limestone strata that is tens and hundreds of millions of years old. Has there been nonsense thanks to the profit motive and the entertainment industry? Of course.
Now tell us what the lufengosaurus remains represent, and how you know, or anyway why you think so.
@cloudtrapezer: For some reason I imagined it was the tourists who started it, after being 'rightfully admonished' - anyway, I'm not necessarily endorsing oar-swinging by anybody, but it sounds to me like the tourists are the problem that needs to be worked on, not the local vendors.
I believe the statement that "museums do not have any actual dinosaurs" is simply false - true of SOME 'museums', I'm sure.
Since dinosaurs were only 'discovered' in 1840 and since those who built the Great Wall should have, according to you, come across dinosaurs fossils, then who is it that you think put the fossils in the rock between the building of the Great Wall and 1840?
I base my belief (willing to be corrected, though, by any further data) that lufengosaurus lived on a trust in the findings of people in a scientific field the basic principles of which I understand, and I have no reason to think that they might be either liars or dupes. Since you don't recommend the web site and don't think the article is completely reliable and don't give a reason for doubting the reliability of tens of thousands of geologists and paleontologists, then what do you base your distrust of the authenticity of lufengosaurus on?
Dolphin: Would you consider that you might simply be mistaken about lufengosaurus? If not, why not?
In this dispute, I'm with the local vendors. Tourists often act like a-holes away from home, and relatively well-off hotel and business- owners who provide them with their tourist experiences are much to blame as well. Tossing sunflower seeds is pretty minor, but I'm with the local vendors, and the incident seems to demonstrate the very real growth of environmental consciousness in China over the past 15 years or so... well, among some, anyway.
I'm not a health foody but the few meals I've had here have been really good and, yeah, I'll be happy to go back alone to sample all the rest of them. It's also not a bad place from which to people-watch the street below.
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Stone Age graveyard discovered in Yunnan's Chuxiong Prefecture
发布者Who is it you want to believe, if not geologists and paleontologists, and what is wrong with their science, and who explains things better?
Stone Age graveyard discovered in Yunnan's Chuxiong Prefecture
发布者@dolphin: The fact is you don't have a convincing alternative to the evolutionary explanation of fossils embedded in limestone strata that is tens and hundreds of millions of years old. Has there been nonsense thanks to the profit motive and the entertainment industry? Of course.
Now tell us what the lufengosaurus remains represent, and how you know, or anyway why you think so.
Much ado about...littering at Lugu Lake
发布者@cloudtrapezer: For some reason I imagined it was the tourists who started it, after being 'rightfully admonished' - anyway, I'm not necessarily endorsing oar-swinging by anybody, but it sounds to me like the tourists are the problem that needs to be worked on, not the local vendors.
Stone Age graveyard discovered in Yunnan's Chuxiong Prefecture
发布者I believe the statement that "museums do not have any actual dinosaurs" is simply false - true of SOME 'museums', I'm sure.
Since dinosaurs were only 'discovered' in 1840 and since those who built the Great Wall should have, according to you, come across dinosaurs fossils, then who is it that you think put the fossils in the rock between the building of the Great Wall and 1840?
I base my belief (willing to be corrected, though, by any further data) that lufengosaurus lived on a trust in the findings of people in a scientific field the basic principles of which I understand, and I have no reason to think that they might be either liars or dupes. Since you don't recommend the web site and don't think the article is completely reliable and don't give a reason for doubting the reliability of tens of thousands of geologists and paleontologists, then what do you base your distrust of the authenticity of lufengosaurus on?
Dolphin: Would you consider that you might simply be mistaken about lufengosaurus? If not, why not?
Much ado about...littering at Lugu Lake
发布者In this dispute, I'm with the local vendors. Tourists often act like a-holes away from home, and relatively well-off hotel and business- owners who provide them with their tourist experiences are much to blame as well. Tossing sunflower seeds is pretty minor, but I'm with the local vendors, and the incident seems to demonstrate the very real growth of environmental consciousness in China over the past 15 years or so... well, among some, anyway.