How long does it take for someone to die from the corona virus? The first discovered case was towards the end of December and the first death was recorded sometime mid Januaryish, so I would say currently it is believe you generally develop pneumonia like symptoms within two weeks of showing symptoms if you are to develop it and die soon after if you do not get better.
If you are arguing that the corona virus can kill years after contraction and thus we should be afraid then shouldn't we be equally panicked over lung cancer and cardiovascular disease?
You are worried because 6000 people were infected in a week, but do you know how many people get the flu on a weekly basis? 810 thousand hospitalizations over four months in a flu season averages about 50 thousand cases per week. Are you panicking about the flu yet?
And as you have stated, there are currently many unknowns about this disease, does it make sense to be so fearful that we are paralyzing entire cities and the country based on unknown variables? Especially given what is factually known so far, which is, after 5 weeks of infections only 7800 cases have been diagnosed resulting in 171 deaths.
I now turn you to the definition for hysteria: exaggerated or uncontrollable emotion or excitement, especially among a group of people. How do people react when they hear a Wuhan person is in their midst? How do people react when they hear rumors of someone getting sick? Seems quit fitting, don't you think?
To clear something up, when I said true mortality rate, I also said given the current figures, as in what can be calculated based on past experiences regarding under reporting the numbers as opposed to calculating based on the numbers themselves. I agree, once the epidemic runs its course the the finals tallied, we could have a higher mortality rate than the current 2.2%, but then we also could have a lower one.
there are many unknowns, including unknown unknowns, should we panic and shutdown entire cities every time we encounter one? Before the current corona virus panic was the avian flu, and before that was MERS, and before that was SARS, in between all of those somewhere was Ebola. New viruses will not stop at the new corona, should this be a precedent then, on how China should react to every new infectious virus?
Having lived in earthquake country for many years, everyone talked about the "Big one" and yet there is no hysteria. What is really needed is preventative measures and not reactive ones that only exacerbate the panic. Unfortunately, people's memories are rather short because after each panic blows over they go back the their old routine as if nothing has happened.
So all I am saying is according to government figures, current diagnosed cases stand at 7700 and deaths at 170, that gives us a mortality rate of 2.2%. As the link I provided earlier stated, both number are likely to be greater but because death is easier to be detected, the true count is not going to be wildly off from the official figure while infection cases are more likely to be much greater because many patients get well on their own before the authorities are even aware of the cases and many more cases that do not result in death are attributed to the flu, therefore, the true mortality rate given the current statistic is going to be much lower. Given such analysis, I can't accept the justification of the measures taken thus far.
At the end of the day the question ultimately is, how much freedom and control are we willing to give up in order to circumvent the unknown. What is the price we are willing to play to "FEEL" safe. And that is for each person to decide for themselves.
For those interested in the mortality rate of the new Corona Virus, here is a good video analyzing the numbers and providing a perspective. Because it is not an official video, I will provide the link here and not in the Corona Virus thread.
Can we please keep the purpose and intent of the two threads separate and not conflate them? The "New Coronavirus" thread should be where FACTUAL information go, this thread is reserved for discussions and opinions of the virus.
Moderator, can you please "tidy up" the posts asking for updated information as it is irrelevant to this discussion. Thank you.
@Geezer, putting aside the politicking of the Chinese government, the oversimplification of the freedoms enjoyed in the US in her speech is very problematic.
What was the point of her analogy? That freedoms blossom in the US while withers in China? Let us not forget that those freedoms were fought for and paid for by the blood of the preceding generations. While she enjoy the labors of those sacrifices, is she ready to make sacrifices of her own? The answer, sadly, is no, as evidence by her insincere non-apology and "commitment" to spread Chinese ideals and culture. Instead of of standing up and defending those freedoms, she cowers at the hint of retribution.
To discover freedom, perhaps you can speak to the minorities that face systematic discrimination everyday, speak to the Muslim communities on how much they enjoyed their freedom, give an opposing view at a MAGA rally to see the freedom of speech at work.
I find nothing at all about her speech or its synthesis to be worth defending other than her rights to make such a speech. But at the same time, I equally defend everyone elses' response to it, CSSA included, those freedom of speech are equally sacred to me.
Granted, the suppression and control of outside the mainstream narrative is more overt in China but government control, or at least the control by the main parties of the narrative exists in America just the same, just more subtle.
The finger pointing, as you say, is the result of the two party system, the discourse and freedom is but an illusion. Outside attacks on each other, their views are nearly identical on almost all issues. Both parties have talked "tough on China", both panders and caters to the Middle East and Israel, the only difference is a matter of degrees and the facade of the institution in which they support.
"As a nation, we began by declaring that 'all men are created equal.' We now practically read it 'all men are created equal, except negroes.' When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.'
When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy."
It cuts both ways, how about China as a currency manipulator, China is stealing our jobs, anything Chinese is viewed as suspicious by the Republican party and the American public in general as that was the narrative being pushed. Japanese companies, Korean companies, German companies, even American companies have all recently been involved in massive product recalls that poses a public safety risk and yet I don't see the same fervor as when it was a Chinese made product.
Such is the nature of politics & government and humans. Always pointing fingers and seeing flaws in others when thinking themselves to be perfect and superior.
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Chinese student apologizes after Maryland graduation speech sparks firestorm
发布者@Geezer, putting aside the politicking of the Chinese government, the oversimplification of the freedoms enjoyed in the US in her speech is very problematic.
What was the point of her analogy? That freedoms blossom in the US while withers in China? Let us not forget that those freedoms were fought for and paid for by the blood of the preceding generations. While she enjoy the labors of those sacrifices, is she ready to make sacrifices of her own? The answer, sadly, is no, as evidence by her insincere non-apology and "commitment" to spread Chinese ideals and culture. Instead of of standing up and defending those freedoms, she cowers at the hint of retribution.
To discover freedom, perhaps you can speak to the minorities that face systematic discrimination everyday, speak to the Muslim communities on how much they enjoyed their freedom, give an opposing view at a MAGA rally to see the freedom of speech at work.
I find nothing at all about her speech or its synthesis to be worth defending other than her rights to make such a speech. But at the same time, I equally defend everyone elses' response to it, CSSA included, those freedom of speech are equally sacred to me.
Chinese student apologizes after Maryland graduation speech sparks firestorm
发布者Granted, the suppression and control of outside the mainstream narrative is more overt in China but government control, or at least the control by the main parties of the narrative exists in America just the same, just more subtle.
The finger pointing, as you say, is the result of the two party system, the discourse and freedom is but an illusion. Outside attacks on each other, their views are nearly identical on almost all issues. Both parties have talked "tough on China", both panders and caters to the Middle East and Israel, the only difference is a matter of degrees and the facade of the institution in which they support.
"As a nation, we began by declaring that 'all men are created equal.' We now practically read it 'all men are created equal, except negroes.' When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.'
When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy."
― Abraham Lincoln, 1855
Chinese student apologizes after Maryland graduation speech sparks firestorm
发布者It cuts both ways, how about China as a currency manipulator, China is stealing our jobs, anything Chinese is viewed as suspicious by the Republican party and the American public in general as that was the narrative being pushed. Japanese companies, Korean companies, German companies, even American companies have all recently been involved in massive product recalls that poses a public safety risk and yet I don't see the same fervor as when it was a Chinese made product.
Such is the nature of politics & government and humans. Always pointing fingers and seeing flaws in others when thinking themselves to be perfect and superior.