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Forums > Living in Kunming > Renouncing Child's citizenship

@jj123
We have zero intention of renouncing our dual nationality childrens' citizenship. US citizen's must pay about USD 150 a year for visas, so Chinese would reciprocally have to pay USD 150 a year for visas. Although the sum isn't exhorbitant, depending on what one considers exorbitant, why would I pay for something I don't need to pay for, that should be gratis?

That's my issue - I'm a cheapskate skinflint...when it comes to giving money to the government (regardless of sovereignty).

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Forums > Living in Kunming > Renouncing Child's citizenship

@jj123
For me - we need to get both US passports and Chinese passports now. What I said is how it's supposed to work for dual nationals of developed countries - as that's how it works internationally. However, China has its own rules. The other suggestions work for a limited time, while the kids are small and China permits travel for children using travel documents and not passports. I don't believe the USA permits this kind of travel - as I was required to have passports even for our newborn baby (which expired after a year).

We, unfortunately, must get passports for the kids for temporarily complicated and unique school reasons.

When it's time for us to travel with the dual nationality kids - I'll go visit the Entry/Exit bureau to get the formal process from them.

I'm in no rush to do this - as I know it'll be a major pain akin to "renouncing a child's citizenship" levels of bureaucratic despair and frustration.

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Forums > Living in Kunming > Good hair salons?

The best place to look is where the KTV girls go to get their hair done. Usually, they're having their hair done prior to work, so look for salons with a bevy of attractive women (check their shoes first), somewhere in the late afternoon to early evening.

The hair salons will be packed outside with several e-bikes with their drivers, to shuttle the girls to work.

These places will be middling to average in haircuts, but a level better than the typical hatchet jobs pervasive in this province - otherwise the girls wouldn't frequent these places.

Your mileage may vary (YMMV).

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Forums > Study > Local K-12 School that accepts foreign students?

It is possible for foreign kids of foreign experts to attend public schools. You'll need permission from either the prefectural or provincial (aka government) board of education.

Before you go - make sure you know WHICH school you want to put your kids into. Go visit the school first - the makeup of the school can sometimes have a severe impact on your child/children as far as focus on academics (or lack of).

Your request will of course need to be in Chinese and officially requested through your work place (with the company seal) or your school (again, with the company seal).

You'll also need to provide proof of health/accident insurance (about ¥50 a year from PICC etc).

Finally - your foreign child isn't technically qualified to take the zhongkao (matriculation to high school exam) or the gaokao (matriculation to university/college) exam, that I know of.

Matriculation to high school isn't particularly an issue as high schools are PAYGO. Matriculation to university is easier as you'll just need to sit for the SAT/ACT for US universities and whatever exams they take in the EU/UK/elsewhere in the world, to qualify for other places.

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Forums > Study > Local K-12 School that accepts foreign students?

All schools can enroll foreign students, if their Chinese language skills are sufficient for instruction.

Depending on your status, the schools may however request "tuition" fees of up to ¥25k per year per student (last time they tried this stunt on me).

If you're enrolling in a school - it's best you ask the school for assistance in enrolling your daughter in a nearby school, to either your residence or your school.

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Fuxian Lake is a major vigorously and rigorously protected potable (drinkable) water source. It's host to a plethora of fresh water food, BBQs and the Hilton Hotel overlooks the lake. Behind the Hilton is a rather large collection of villas (HK style), many with basements, garage (not necessarily connected to your home though), and lap pools, if the lake is too far to walk (it's about 1-2km away).

The lake surroundings are a future development site for Yuxi City, so should be interesting to see how the city develops, while complying with the national protection of water resources.

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Took the family here to stroll around and there's a LOT of walking. Many of the stores appear closed, but the bar street nestled inside seems quite well populated.

We chose the Japanese restaurant near the entrance (there are many entrances). The food and service was quite acceptable - from the fruit salad, tuna salad, curry pork cutlet, and the ubiquitous California Sush Rolls (you can buy the small size or the large size).

It rained a little while we were there, which helped drench the heat and humidity. When the sun came out - it was HOT.

If you're lucky, you'll occasionally see people (usually women) wearing minority clothing being photographed by professional photographers. There's also a small photographer's store where you can rent various ethnic clothing and have professional pictures taken (maybe the two are related...now that I think about it).

There's also the ubiquitous game centers (shooting galleries etc) for the kids and unaccompanied teenagers.

It seems the most popular venues were the prolific food courts - but that's probably related to it being lunchtime when we visited. The place is clean and plenty of antiqued door fronts (the wood panels) for those photo shoots.

Capping off the visit, one must of course take pictures on the bridges crossing the lily ponds and the landmark temple spire. We didn't make it to the surrounding temples. Maybe next time.

Transportation is everywhere - but make sure you have your mobile phone ride share app working, just in case you hit rush hour.

Again - for now - it seems many vendors were closed - but I'm positive that'll change again as the economy begins to rebound.

Excellent way to spend a half day as opposed to the kids faces glued to their mobile devices...fresh air, good food, plenty of people watching, and walking...walking...walking...

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Took the family here a few days ago. Wonderful place to go walking with lots of snack & drink kiosks (along with chairs and tables) to rest frequently. This zoo is similar to most other large open air zoos with reasonably spacious enclosures. This place is HUGE so be prepared for a LOT of walking. Consider wearing sensible hiking or walking shoes. Your feet will be grateful.

Entrance fees when we went still cny100 for adults and kids cny70. Feeding the animals at the managed venues - cny30 per site...per child. Monkeys can be fed by tossing carrots and sliced apples into their enclosure - which is good. Monkeys famous for flash mobbing. Can be terrifying for kids (and adults). Even in the enclosures, you can clearly see they're territorial and aggressive. Bullying is displayed frequently enough for teaching moments for the kids (cuz there are monkeys in all schools everywhere in the world).

MOST people bring their own food and drink, as the kiosks are quite expensive. Example a cny5 drink outside is cny10 in the zoo, so expect most everything to be twice as expensive. I had a bbq chick drumstick (leg?) for cny25...ouch.

Bring carrots. LOTS of carrots. The zoo has several managed (paid) and unmanaged petting areas for most semi-domesticated animals, such as the Alpacas (seriously cute), deer, giraffes (ok...you can feed the giraffes on an elevated platform, but probably difficult to "pat" the animals. It's kind of spectacular to actually see giraffes face to face - these animals are simply vertigo inducing huge and tall.

The seal show was nice - typical of seal shows everywhere. Seals are kind of like the dogs of the sea. Friendly and ravenous appetites so easily trainable.

Lots of cheap touristy souvenirs to buy the for the kiddies (and relatives kids).

HIGHLY recommend taking the bus tour - they basically zoom around picking up and dropping off customers (they check your e-ticket at every pickup site) at entrances and exits to walking enclosures. They'll drop you off at roughly 15 minute walking sites. NO need to rush and you can grab ANY bus upon emerging from the walking enclosure sites.

Of course, the ultimate attraction always the lion and tiger exhibits at the top of the mountain.

Bring a fan. It gets hot. We were fortunate as the sky was mostly overcast so the temperature was generally cool, but heated up almost instantly whenever the sun peeked out of the clouds.

Bring LOTS of water. Most veteran tourists have their own liter bottles of water. Bring your own umbrella. When the sun comes out - it's HOT. Bring a wide brimmed hat if you're into comfort over vanity. SUNTAN LOTION never goes astray.

Aside from that - typical Chinese group site with everyone rushing the buses and ticket counters. Not so much rushing for the food venues, so seems the elevated prices keep that comfortably in check.

All in all - GREAT place to take the kiddies (or a date if you both know you're into each other - cuz you'll be spending an entire day together). The Outdoor Zoo seems exceptionally well designed with plenty of both managed and unmanaged (eg walking deer along the roadside and the stroll through the peacock "garden").

Easy cab or shared ride out and back. Taxis aplenty when you're ready to leave (just walk past the parking lot gate - they'll be waiting for you). You should consider dining out or delivery at the end of the day.

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Took the kiddies here again.

1. It's FREE.
2. NO knives, lighters, sharp objects, etc. There's a place in front to check bags, luggage (if you're traveling), etc - but the exit is in the rear of the monolithic building, so it's a bit of a hike to walk back around to the checked storage area (it's also FREE).

THIRD FLOOR
We went straight to the third floor - History and artifacts of Yunnan (mostly). Rich history - lots of original sculptures etc removed from grottoes and displayed in the museum. Lots of English language titles and occasionally some explanatory text in English.

SECOND FLOOR
This is the evolution floor with lots of petrified artifacts - sea life mostly, lots of recreations of animals and environments from pre-man times.

There are coffee shops and dining areas on the first floor and drink vending machines on the second and third floors. The place is HUGE so a great place to take the kiddies and walk around until they're tired. They'll probably enjoy the dinosaur exhibit on the second floor the most. Wait a few minutes and the dinosaurs will roar and move their heads and maybe pretend to chew (open and close their maws).

PLENTY of parking and unfortunately NOT close to any subway station, so you'll have to grab a cab or rideshare but seems taxis and transportation are aplenty in the city and surrounding environs.

And...it's FREE for now. Museum closes at 5pm so make sure you leave by 430-445 so you can hike back to the storage area if you checked anything in as they also close at 5pm.

Enjoy!

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This is a great place to walk around and generally kill time while shopping for nothing in particular. Nearby is the Paulaner Brewhouse for super fantastic food, coffee and drinks, outdoor patio dining or just hanging and people watching.