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@Dickory Dock, Tonyaod
OP was not mine, you guys are really too funny!!! Not even able to put 2 concepts together. Not even able to recognize who is the OPoster. Posting Chinese caracters and who is copying them from your post, telling that he is Chinese, wow how quick-witted, how insightful you are. You are big joke and make the entire community here laughing to death! Please keep on, so that we all can enjoy it. At this point, it is no more troll, it is a gag, lol

The sad point is how you hijacked this thread with all your rubbish and cut the quite wise, polite, and meaningful exchange that took place here between several well behaving users.

We'll continue to read your ineptitudes on the forum and snigger every single post you'll still dare to post ;)

;) means friendly, do not forget it Tony

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"So what you're really looking for is not necessarily someone who is certified/qualified/professional but someone who understands how the language works. The latter is not exclusive to the former."
——> 废话 (if you need a translation let me know)

"My suggestion is for you to spend a week or two teaching others and see how able you are. See how excellent and how adept you are at the craft, then get back to us. In all honesty, you don't sound very intelligent so the chances are you'd probably struggle with it."
——> Same here: 废话, lol why would I consider doing what I do not master or being what I'm not ? In contrary to many here, it seems ... Including you, in need to defense yourself againt (like Alien mentionned) what I (not only me actually) consider to be a crappy teachers. I never said I would do the job better than a qualified, unqualified or crappy teacher. I'm quite humble actually, in contrary to others here, Mr Very Intelligent! And I'm already very busy to try to help to find what is considered as a good teacher (qualified or not, like mentionned before)
And if you think one or two weeks are enough to really and deeply get in touch with the reality of teaching, I understand how mediocre you can be, sorry.

"Btw, obviously the school in question cannot hold onto teachers because it is basically not a very good school and this undoubtedly stems from a combination of factors, including pay and the resultant culture of crapness that it inadvertently aims for."
——> Which school are you talking about ? Who said it cannot hold teachers ?
You have a quite strange way to come to a conclusion! Maybe you explain us what's your mind's process, leading you to such a deduction. What was said here is how difficult it is to find foreign teachers you can rely on (and don't tell me about pay or combination of factors, like The Dudeson's said he'd be ready to give quite high salary if he could find the Mr. Right and not all those Mr. Smart like you seem to be —- and I said that I fully agree with him, but like others you obviously come here to dump your imbecility).

"resultant culture of crapness that it inadvertently aims for."
——> Lol again, you have no idea what you're talking about but still dare to come to a public forum to write such a baloney.

Btw, If you created an account just to come here to insult me (personal attack without me having even the time to disagree with you) and the school I'm talking about, by ignoring what or who you talk about, that's quite suspicious to me, and others maybe. Are you here for trolling ? Or to discuss wisely about an interesting topic ? Obviously not!

"Amazing the insecurity of posters who can't handle disagreement without either insulting or getting defensive, as if they have to defend themselves alla time."
——> Totally agree with you Alien. And find it pityfull to have to read all those trolls, mainly insulting and replying lots of nonsense (like I'm probably a Chinese because I used several Chinese caracters that I copied from the one alleging that I'm Chinese O_o (btw, I have nothing against Chinese in general) )

@Tonyaod
Thank you for your contribution (links), quite interesting, but wouldn't it be more interesting to read how you develop you own way of thinking instead of referering to others work ?
Btw, even I do not agree to everything (and that's my right, like yours is to disagree with my points) I found your your previous (long) post quite interesting, in contrary the previous ones.
And I hope it's not you or Dazzer created this new account just and only to come here to insult me here (and actually if one read all the posts it's not just insulting me).

Cheers

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@Tonyaod
First of all, thank you for stopping to respond to my posts, that way I'll be able to take a rest from your damn replies!
On another hand, let me point how smart you are, when you're stating that English is not my first language because I wrote it by myself in a previous post and I'm quite sure you red it and you are trying to use that to blame on me that I would not have understood the meaning you want to give to one word. You'll be nice to stop to consider others for more stupid than they are. The verb lure is related to words that mean "bait," "deceit," and "invite." Often, when lure is used, there is a nefarious implication. And when you are using it, in the context you are using it, it does not sound very positive. If you further check on specialized websites/forums you'll find out that it indeed has (or might have) a nefarious implication. So, please go back to your dictionnary to find out that this word does not only mean "attract" in a positive way, like you are trying to say. I don't buy it. But because, indeed I'm not a native English, I'd be happy to get another [neutral] native's point of view on this point (Dazzer, please not!)
Also, you think that because you put a nice ;) at the end, it means your post is friendly. Ok, look at this one : Tonyaod you are a pathetic, boring and crappy troll ;) ;) ;) that's a very friendly message, isn't it ?
And if you are not entirely reading other users posts, could you please refrain from posting any reply, because you and only you are creating that kind of weird and boring situation where we are not discussing about the OP anymore (sorry for the other readers).
Do I need to remind you that you used those Chinese caracters at first in your previous post. I just copied them from your post to show you that I got your meaning and trying to get the things down!!! Either you are doing all that on purpose (that's what I think) or you are indeed very stupid!
About the rest of your "not so cordial message", that seem to be a very nice and accurate description of yourself.
Except you and Dazzer (that you were defending in previous posts, he's your brotha right?) I do not see when I have been flaming any other user.
I rather think that the discussion is (was) quite interesting like this topic is (until/without you interfering with quite mindless messages).
Please keep your promise and keep silent, thank you.

PS: troll troll troll, don't feed the troll, I know, sorry for that. I'll stop to feed Tonyaod from now on ;) ———-oh a friendly message again

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@nnoble
Very realistic understanding/view of the situation, I quite agree with what you wrote.
To your question at the end of your post (to which I guess you are not really waiting for a reply, because you described it well in your post) : Very very few !

What they have or what they are looking for is to make their bank account as full as possible, as fast as possible. Which is a bit of nonsense when you are working in education area. Education is a very great area to be financially successful (if your business is successful) BUT I think one does not need to put $$$ as first to be financially successul. I think first should be education and then if you are sucessful by providing best service you can, you'll be financially rewarded!
Unfortunately, local market situation makes it so that you do not need (yet) to be serious about the service/education you provide to students/parents in order to be financially successful. And that's why so many schools (if they can be called schools, more like "making money business" I would say) are flourishing everywhere in kmg.

I know a school boss opening spots one after another and putting green hands and totally ignorant people at the head of his spots (ignorant mainly in terme of education, but not only). This is and can be only a disaster for who choose to join their classes. But that's the point, market is not mature and many many parents (who finally decide to get the cash out of their pocket) are unfortunately quite ignorant as well about what is education, or what it should be. I'm looking forward to the day the market is getting mature (it is on the way, but it's slow) and all these institutions are going to be left on the side of the road, letting those with minimum understanding about education take over their market share and be even more successful.

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@Tonyaod
You either did not read my post [entirely] or are implying that I'm lying!
I quote if for you : "[...] Same for us [foreigners] [...]"
Which clearly means that I am not a Chinese national!
And the way you express it in your last post is not very pleasant (even more if you did not read my post entirely), what let you think that I am going to lure anybody ? Dazzer said that I seem very quick to pass judgement, that's also true for you. For you, I am either a lyer or someone going to lure another one! Please refrain yourself when you do not know, thanks.
And that's exactly the kind of post that I consider as troll. Thank you for your very interesting participation in the discussion!

@The Dudeson's
Totally agree on the fact that you have many ways or tools, like you say, to nicely trick the students, helping yourself coming out of a situation (question) you are not able to solve instantly. Like you say, we are human and therefore not perfect. But, imo, there are questions that you need to be able to reply "immediately" without needing to go back to your books to be able to provide an explaination. As simple example : "that is your pen" and "that is yours" will easily come out as a question at a certain level. If you aren't able to reply that type of quite simple question from the student and need to throw it back to the class for brainstorming or find another way to "not reply" instantly, you might be constantly be forced to find secondary ways to reply your student. That might be a problem, and by the way the authority/respect you might have [or not] in front of your student will be lost after a while. I think it is very important how the students consider their teachers. Will you study hard if you have the feeling your teacher is a crap (the word might be a bit strong, but I think you've got my meaning). Examples are good and necessary but in my opinion not enough. Some times you need to be able to be sharp and very specific, but sometimes you can not because one can not know everything, I agree with that. And that when you have to use a tricky way.
I am sure many of us (Tonyaod: I said US again, please take note) learned and can speak more than 1 foreign language additionaly to their mother language, so that's nothing to do with self-prising, but personally after going through the learning process of 3 languages and be able to communicate (in daily life) with 4 (1+3), I can tell what I like and what I dislike as a student. And I really don't like to get blur answer when I'm trying to fix a question/problem I have with one specific point in one language. In other words: "Do your best to provide to others what you expect for yourself".
That said, The Dudeson's, these are really details and I think we agree on most of the points related to the topic (happy not to feel that alone, LOL). Thanks for the exchange.