Gokunming has a history of a bit of brutal and offensive commentary on threads, from time to time. But it usually has been the type that moderation wouldn't really solve, and letting it go on by, seems the only answer.

But the anti-laowai trolling is another thing altogether, and could get out of control. That is just a form of interference with the forums and needs to be shut down.
I think there should be some moderation on that point.

I am not suggesting heavy moderation, except for simply banning people like Nicole316, which would be a good move. There will always be things people don't like on a public forum, annoying people, views we don't like etc. etc. But the anti-laowai stuff is just beyond the pale. I would prefer that people just don't feed those trolls, but there will always be someone who who will reply to them, and that means more will come.

Also, some people say if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Right, so I hope the KM staff are keeping abreast of whether most people think it broken or not. I have lived in Kunming for quite a while, and my (limited to be sure) impression is that most people wouldn't touch the GK forums with a ten foot pole, except maybe to ask for the location of a shop or the name of a doctor.

Finally, maybe a kind of sticky with basic forum guidelines would be good.

I know there have been some threads on Fu xian lake.
But, I would like to hear some updated opinions on:

What are the best ways to get to fuxian, how long it takes, options?

Best places to sleep while there?

Swimming, boating?

How to get around the lake if you don't bring a bicycle?

Thanks.

I totally agree. Unfortunately, nationalism is still the biggest religion in the world. But the bright side is that at least people are looking for an outlet to express themselves, maybe people will eventual weigh in on something NOT used to distract them from their actual reality.

I am not to blamed for people who can't be bothered or don't have the skills to read carefully. Zhonguo is a country. But Weiguo is not a country. So your clumsy attempts to twist what I wrote are just embarrassing really.

Your logic is as strong now as when you wrote the most amazing sentence I have ever read "To deny there is a cultural gap between China and western cultures is silly." Wow, so there is a cultural difference between different cultures? Great.

I mostly haven't replied to you in depth because your writing is so weak, full of sloppy assumptions, and you meander everywhere. You even said I misquoted you about harsh punishments when it is you who said "throw away the key".

For example, when did I act the diplomat?
I was accusing the lady from Beijing of trying to sound diplomatic.

"Foreigners" means people from over 100 countries, with nothing specific about them, or shared between them. They are, basically, the world. Chinese is far more specific, and isn't defined by a lack, it is defined by inclusion. There is world of difference here.

BUT!!!!
Importantly, I didn't even say Chinese people. I used terms such as "some Chinese nationals" to purposefully avoid racist or xenophobic overtones, and to tie them to a particular time and place (the PRC, now), and therefore to trends and attitudes in a given society, not to Chinese or Han ethnic people in general. Again, very, very different.

There is nothing chauvinistic or jingoistic about discussing trends in a particular society, among some of its citizens, and that is why I use terms like netizens, citizens and nationals. We can speak in the same way about British or Russian citizens today. But terms or semantics are not that important for people who were able to read, in good faith, my posts in the context of what I had already written earlier.

To say something more specific:
Some of the problem here is a confused projection, what some people would call cultural projection.

I think some people sincerely imagine that
*being stared at,

*having people that never want to really know you (and would never stand up for you) kiss your ass,

*being interviewed by curious high school kids asking the world's most boring questions,

*having the same conversations 1 million times,
*being commented on constantly by strangers as if you cant hear them,

all this is pleasurable for you, laowai!

They may think, "Wow, I wish I would be the object of insincere flattery, of gossip, of stares, of paper thin introductions.
I would love to be invited to a dinner to be politely shown off like a new handbag or pet, to gan bei with people who wouldn't care if I died tomorrow".

It never occurs to them how alienating not only the rudeness is, but also all of the BS politeness that keeps people at a distance. Maybe they really would like to be treated like a toy. So, it follows that they would think that you, laowai, are spoiled.