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Forums > Living in Kunming > Kids and Kunming

Bamboo Temple for the carvings, quiet surroundings and vegetarian food.

Golden Temple for the walk and the succulent glasshouses around the back, but might need to keep them out of the tower (could be a dangerous climb for kids that young).

Jiaoye Gongyuan for a random wander in artificially landscaped nature with the squirrels.

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Forums > Living in Kunming > Good parks in Kunming

Chenggong wildlife, indeed!

THE SICHUAN REN: Moved to Chenggong with his wife after business failed in their native second-tier Sichuan city. Now runs a supermarket stocked with cheap alcohol and cigarettes. Chain smokes most of the profits.

THE ZHAOTONG REN: Statistically disposed to running hotpot or small trade operations, no longer has to return to Zhaotong as family died in a collapsing building in the last major earthquake.

THE LAOWAI TEACHER: Signed up for a GREAT JOB with HOUSING INCLUDED straight out of their own country. Top negotiator: scored the job despite not being a FOREIGN EXPERT! Never been to China. Enjoying learning all about shao erkuai for breakfast and mixian for dinner. Considers self a China expert. Can be spotted with student girlfriend.

THE LAOWAI STUDENT: From a developing country, where they scored a Chinese government scholarship based on corrupt family political connections. Studying Nuclear Engineering at one of the far southern campuses. Hangs around with peers from own country, rarely comes to town on account of lack of spending money.

THE VENDOR: Once visited Shenzhen and decided the one true occupation in life was retailing plumbing sprockets. Promptly returned to open a store in Luosiwan. Business is actually not bad; proudly wears a 'Xishuangbanna' tourist trophy cowboy hat after their recent holiday. Not so proudly sports a brand new STD.

THE GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE: Drives bitterly to Chenggong daily from their house in Kunming proper. Bought an investment property in Chenggong as it was offered at a discount when their danwei was forced to move. Hasn't yet managed to rent it out, as they overestimated the acceptable rent and are too proud to drop it. Banquets multiple times per week. Simply the best person to know if you need to achieve <insert petty bureaucratic process>. Goals in life include upgrading their iPhone and visiting Thailand to keep up with the Wangs, who reckon they have awesome Chinese seafood hotpot down there.

THE LOCAL: Formerly a farmer, scored bigtime on offloading real estate to a developer about 5-10 years back. Now drives a shiny BMW, lives in an apartment, and spends maximum percentage of waking hours investigating the best local restaurants to get authentic old-style peasant food. Goes to Guandu at least once a weak for a cultural fix. Hobbies include honking at and cutting off cyclists and ebike riders.

... any others?

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Forums > Living in Kunming > Good parks in Kunming

Definitely underrated, never explored by most and interesting is Tanhua Si Gongyuan (Tanhua Temple Park) in the east. However, it's not very big and is getting very crowded these days.

In the north, the mountain dividing north-east and north-west Kunming, Changchongshan is the place to be, though closed until May 1 for fire season, you can sneak up if you put some effort in.

In the northwest, Jiaoye Gongyuan but also the forest between Jiaoye Gongyuan's eastern entrance and the Yu'anshan Cemetary. I go there daily by bicycle, it's so nice.

Moving south, there are nice walks or rides in the mountains between Bamboo Temple and the road to Anning, though they can be hard to access without time.

Xishan offers a lot more than what people normally do (the main road) ... try the road to Maomaoqing Village, turning right up the hill and passing over the saddle to the rear (western) side of the mountain just before the carpark. Many trails, some for walking only, some OK for cycling, also a road so you can drive up.

In the southeast, there is a point accessible from the road to Chengjiang at the top of Fuxian Lake in Yuxi prefecture (avoiding the newly upgraded highway/tunnel system which means it's now only one hour to get there) whereby you can climb a dirt track to a super high position and see all three lakes (Dianchi, Yangzonghai and Fuxianhu) from one spot. High wind. Offroad wheels needed.

In the northeast, the back of the Golden Temple Park in the northeast is good, offering some pretty impressive botanical glasshouses and garden features as well as more natural areas and some history. Beyond there are trails for horseriding and BMX bike riding.

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Haha, man those are some killer mountains ... 3000+ meter passes ... one after the other .. with nothing to eat but Tibetan yak-butter tea (urgh) ...

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It would have been interesting to get a closer look at some of the older, local Dai writing if any is still available to view as the script used in this region is historically significantly distinct from that used further east in Yunnan, for example in Xishuangbanna Prefecture, which adjoins the Shan States of Burma.

Those interested can see my summary of a book on this subject, Sai Kham Mong's 'The Shan Script' at pratyeka.org/scripts.png

I also have a collection of Dai Theravada images from 10 years ago shot primarily in Jinggu region of Simao (now Pu'er) Prefecture at picasaweb.google.com/106883718971909092529/DaiTheravada (VPN required)

Funding for rote literacy. Important, but you'd think the government would cover it, particularly in an area so close to multiple foreign borders and armies where the promotion of Han literacy serves a strong political purpose.

Disagree. Having lived in both Kunming and Qingdao, I would say Qingdao sux because of the winter freezing and windy climate, the crappy transit system, the lack of walkable areas, and the over development of the waterfront, which by the way is so dirty the last time I swam there (10 years ago) I had to get out when the second used condom floated past in the first 5 minutes.

Last night at the Future of Dianchi forum the government said that one challenge here is that there are very steep slopes and that rain typically results in flash flooding. The current policy is to gradually change Kunming in to a 'sponge city' capable of absorbing rapid rainfall before gradual dissipation, beginning with a 15 square kilometer pilot location.

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@nailer is being unfairly dismissed: they are certainly fallible. At one point they were well managed and the only game in town, and their outdoor bar had an interesting social vibe. Recently, none of these is the case (was given a bad bill to the tune of ~300% - no managers present and a subsequent complaint resulted in a less than ideal outcome, many more places are now open, and the outdoor bar is closed). Unless you are specifically seeking faux-Americana (often far better examples elsewhere) or two degrees removed faux-Mexicana, there's little reason to go there. How come French Cafe can serve a great sandwich for 24 but Sals requires 50 for a pretend-exoticized nibble? Certainly the business will continue, but the hey-dey is clearly gone. Romaniticizing the past aint gonna help. E-waste recycling by shipping (non carbon neutral) junk across the country? Puh-lease. Garbage processing people here recycle anyway! I applaud the ethical stance of one of the managers, but the place has frankly lost its mojo.

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Hands down the best draft craft beer in Kunming. On top of that, very reasonable prices for food and other drinks (especially wine).

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Called the number provided on a Friday at 2:15PM while a 10% discount was advertised "on Friday and Saturday" (listed in GoKunming specials).

A Chinese person answered the 'English' phone number in Mandarin then explained in broken English that you need to order 3 hours in advance. (Subtext: As their business is so slow)

Grumble. False advertising. Waste of time. Seems 100% Chinese run. Probably bad pizza.

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The listing here is wrong! Teresa's are not defunct, they are just back to being one store instead of two stores on Wenlinjie now! They are still in business, still answer on this phone number, and are still delivering! Points for consistency, it's been years! As of right now, it's 68 for the more toppings vegetarian at the largest size. They will do thin or thick crust. Yes, it's not to everyone's taste, but I always used to find adding dried chilli powder and some extra salt brought it up to tasty. Might go for a dash of Sichuan pepper oil to spice it up this time around. (You know you've been in China too long when...)

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I also had a bad experience here recently.

Honestly, I wish them the best of luck, but I do think the staff are poorly managed and the owners have the wrong attitude and a clear lack of experience in service-oriented business. While the pizza is OK, everything else I have tried (including overnight stay) can be had cheaper and better elsewhere, and the pizza at Roccos is better in my opinion. The service has always fluctuated between acceptable to don't care.

Since they don't have their situation resolved yet, and it has been a few years, I have made the decision not to go there anymore or send anyone else. It's just not worth the hassle, given the crappy location (masked as private or lost). Better pizza with more quiet and privacy on Roccos' terraces.