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Forums > Food & Drink > Greek Food

Some good advice in this thread, though not all of it.

@logos I've seen many businesses fail over the last 15 years or so. Some were simply to early (before the local Chinese palate was generally interested in novel international/foreign experience), others attempted to gain custom through basing themselves in too expensive zones of real estate, quite a few failed through partnerships.

The challenges with F&B businesses here can include reliable and cost-effective acquisition of suitable ingredients, lack of local experience with the cuisine in question, differing expectations about ordering, environment and other aspects of the consumption experience, navigating registration and licensing.

My advice is to jump through any and all hoops required to get the licensing you need yourself: do not use an agent (though do bring a translator). If you use an agent, you will never be aware of the various government bureaus that have control over your business, and will not have established any personal relationship.

Finally, about real estate selection: overheads can be very high here, even more than western cities. If you have a large initial budget that may make sense, but with a lower budget you could probably just focus on quality, experience, service and word of mouth. Wealthier locals tend to drive and/or spend significant time seeking novel experiences. You would not have a great issue obtaining extra customers through word of mouth, given time. Another thing which has not really been tried here is drive-thru. Finally, there are a large number of delivery services, the undisputed king of which is Meituan. These services facilitate both increased marketing exposure and a larger customer base, without requiring expensive real estate. However, due to delivery time considerations, you may be well-advised to seek out cheaper yet relatively central real estate if these distribution channels are a focus. Finally, you can take orders, payment, and do delivery yourself via WeChat.

Good luck!

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Forums > Living in Kunming > Kundu closed

There are also white stickers on the doors down Hongshan Nan Lu (north side) and Longfeng Jie (north side).

Seems there is a mass military land reclamation in progress.

Is this: (a) The government kicking the military out of the middle of the city?; or (b) Someone in the military trying to turn a quick buck; or (c) Beijing-sponsored attempt to re-invigorate the nationally ailing construction industry and keep down unemployment for migrant workers by initiating military-owned commercial land revamps during the lapse in the construction boom?

My thoughts: (a) There have been rumours of Kundu shutdown from Beijing for awhile, so this would not be too strange. Wouldn't be too hard to verify though, just ask one of the owners. Incidentally, I would be happy about this because the military presence has created lots of pain for regular people, eg. it is very difficult for hotels or residential real estate owners to allow foreigners to stay in most of these areas because the military is afraid of 'spying' (like they do anything all day except make noise anyway!) (b) If this is the case, they are not going about it very covertly. (c) If this is the case, one would expect similar and roughly concurrent projects in other cities.

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Forums > Travel Yunnan > Shaxi from Qiantou

Sure Alexis! Hope you guys are having fun.

Just get any bus headed for Lijiang! These will head down the river a little, cross, then climb the mountain. Just after climbing, there is a turnoff for the old road southward to Dali, which passes Jianchuan. When you get there, jump off.

Wait awhile and another bus will come by headed that way.

Once on a bus, you have two options, either stay in Jianchuan itself (couple of OK but basic hotels) or continue to Shaxi by bus. From either location you can climb up to the carvings at Shizhongshan/Shibaoshan. If you go from Shaxi, you have to walk. If you go from Jianchuan, you can get a driver to drop you up there (hire one or hitch), then walk back down. I actually walked both up and down, which was a really long day and not recommended.

There is an ongoing archaeological dig around the Jianchuan lake, as well as some old Nanzhao-era towers atop mountains further south (toward Dali) from the Shaxi/Jianchuan area.

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Huangtupo is a shadow of its former self. There are other 2nd hand places for different types of electronics (phones, computers, appliances) and clothes. There is at least one second hand wood merchant at the Yunnan Huidu wod market in the southwest (Xishan district).

Wow, what an awesome guy. I was just planning to buy some old mega-format lenses in Paris this week to bring back to try to build an old school 'view camera', but I lack the skill to confidently achieve a good outcome without investing a lot of time. I think if Mr Liu and I were to work on it together though, we'd definitely succeed, and he's a photographer too! Maybe I will just buy some lenses after all...

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@nailer is being unfairly dismissed: they are certainly fallible. At one point they were well managed and the only game in town, and their outdoor bar had an interesting social vibe. Recently, none of these is the case (was given a bad bill to the tune of ~300% - no managers present and a subsequent complaint resulted in a less than ideal outcome, many more places are now open, and the outdoor bar is closed). Unless you are specifically seeking faux-Americana (often far better examples elsewhere) or two degrees removed faux-Mexicana, there's little reason to go there. How come French Cafe can serve a great sandwich for 24 but Sals requires 50 for a pretend-exoticized nibble? Certainly the business will continue, but the hey-dey is clearly gone. Romaniticizing the past aint gonna help. E-waste recycling by shipping (non carbon neutral) junk across the country? Puh-lease. Garbage processing people here recycle anyway! I applaud the ethical stance of one of the managers, but the place has frankly lost its mojo.

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Hands down the best draft craft beer in Kunming. On top of that, very reasonable prices for food and other drinks (especially wine).

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Called the number provided on a Friday at 2:15PM while a 10% discount was advertised "on Friday and Saturday" (listed in GoKunming specials).

A Chinese person answered the 'English' phone number in Mandarin then explained in broken English that you need to order 3 hours in advance. (Subtext: As their business is so slow)

Grumble. False advertising. Waste of time. Seems 100% Chinese run. Probably bad pizza.

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The listing here is wrong! Teresa's are not defunct, they are just back to being one store instead of two stores on Wenlinjie now! They are still in business, still answer on this phone number, and are still delivering! Points for consistency, it's been years! As of right now, it's 68 for the more toppings vegetarian at the largest size. They will do thin or thick crust. Yes, it's not to everyone's taste, but I always used to find adding dried chilli powder and some extra salt brought it up to tasty. Might go for a dash of Sichuan pepper oil to spice it up this time around. (You know you've been in China too long when...)

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I also had a bad experience here recently.

Honestly, I wish them the best of luck, but I do think the staff are poorly managed and the owners have the wrong attitude and a clear lack of experience in service-oriented business. While the pizza is OK, everything else I have tried (including overnight stay) can be had cheaper and better elsewhere, and the pizza at Roccos is better in my opinion. The service has always fluctuated between acceptable to don't care.

Since they don't have their situation resolved yet, and it has been a few years, I have made the decision not to go there anymore or send anyone else. It's just not worth the hassle, given the crappy location (masked as private or lost). Better pizza with more quiet and privacy on Roccos' terraces.