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Forums > Travel Yunnan > Chengdu to Thailand

Am thinking about starting in Laos and going up to Jinghong in Sipsongpanna, then going back to Laos and eventually Thailand using a Lao-registered rental car, but this won't be until the second half of July. Purpose of travel is business to collect some product samples, but of course, I will also visit some tourist sites as well. If your trip is flexible, please send me a PM to discuss. Although I will be travelling with a couple of people, would still be nice to have one more person to share the costs with.

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Forums > Living in Kunming > Getting a driver's license in Jinghong or Mengla

There are some websites that mention getting a temporary Chinese driver's license for foreigners that wish to participate in self-drive tours, in the Mengla area, however, these are temporary licenses only. Would this be an option for me in case the information I received above is incorrect? As mentioned earlier, I won't be going back to Kunming until well after the end of the trip, so going up to Kunming just to get my license wouldn't be a practical option.

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Forums > Living in Kunming > Getting a driver's license in Jinghong or Mengla

OK, thanks for that info regarding where it is possible to get a driver's license. In any case, I have been told it is possible to take a Lao-registered vehicle up as far north as Jinghong, but no further. Presumably a foreign driver's license would be acceptable for driving in this region of China, if a foreign registered car is being driven...this is the information I have been given so far.

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Forums > Living in Kunming > Getting a driver's license in Jinghong or Mengla

Hi, I normally live in Kunming, but am currently out of the country and will be travelling on business to Laos and Sipsongpanna (西双版纳 in Chinese) as far north as Simao, but will be travelling back to Laos after that, and so won't be back in Kunming until later on.

I plan to go by car (although i may or may not be driving myself and it might be a Lao registered vehicle, haven't got the details yet though), and was wondering if it was possible to get a Chinese driver's license in Jinghong or Mengla or Simao city or somewhere like that. Would it also be possible to take the exam in English, as I am not fluent enough in Chinese to take the exam in Chinese yet, or otherwise, take along an interpreter? Also, I'm guessing I would need to get a new translation of my driver's license done somewhere in that area too.

On another matter, I took the test once in Kunming back in December but didn't have enough time to study the whole manual, so I got 89%! which absolutely sucks because that's only 1% short of passing and didn't have the opportunity to redo it since then, would my details still be in their system? I know a case of someone who retook the exam after like 3 months and their details were still there, so they simply showed up with their I.D., paid the 60 Yuan fee again and retook the test, no problem.

Also, how do drivers of Lao registered vehicles (mainly in southern Yunnan) legally drive in China if their Lao licenses aren't officially recognized by China? Would they have to go through all the hassle of getting at least a temporary Chinese driver's license? Anyone know?

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Forums > Travel Yunnan > Chinese National going to Laos by land

The information given above is correct; Chinese authorities do not care if Chinese nationals are eligible for visas on arrival, because they won't let a Chinese citizen exit the country without a visa in their passport. This regulation has recently been strictly enforced according to an article I read recently. I can also corroborate what the posters above said, which is when I was at Suvarnabhumi airport on my way to Kunming a few months ago, a group of Chinese nationals on their way back to Beijing all had Thai visas in their passports from the embassy in Beijing in spite of Thailand offering a 15-day visa on arrival service and those persons having only spent 4 days in Thailand. Therefore, this service is a mute point for Chinese citizens, who can only take advantage of it if they are entering Thailand (or Laos) from another country, other than China.

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Yeah there are lots of hebrew speaking travellers in Vang Vieng these days. Same with regional tourists from Thailand - frankly given that Thai and Lao are nearly the same language I don't see how a Thai speaker can't read Lao, but apparently many can't hence the reason for the Thai signs you saw. Same in Thailand - at petrol (gas) stations near the Lao border, which are popular with Lao motorists you can see signs in Lao next to the Thai since there are some subtle differences between the two languages.

@Senorboogiewoogie, in Laos everything is flexible due to the power of money aka corruption. I was in Vang Vieng around midnight back in 2009 and it was still noisy in parts, but generally quiet outside the center of action.

Also, while perhaps not a good idea, every foreigner living in Laos knows you can sleep with a Lao citizen of the opposite sex in the same room if you are discreet about it and you'll only get in trouble if you piss someone off. I also think that the government only sees the images of westerners in Thailand and the Philippines "buying" girls at girlie bars and wants to maintain a more lowkey image, but naturally no Vietnamese or Chinese (or Thai) truck driver would be without his karaoke and Lao prostitute in the border provinces. The reality is that prostitution is as big in Laos as anywhere else, but maybe just a little less visible. However, in Vientiane there are large numbers of local girls with western or other foreign "boyfriends", or in genuine relationships.

Haha, well I don't think I was that pessimistic, and I do agree with you on some of your points - although being quite knowledgeable about languages myself, there is more overlapping of the dominant language from the more economically powerful country into the less dominant one than the other way round - i.e. despite what you said, there is very little Lao spoken in Vietnam, but the other way round there is quite a bit of Vietnamese understood in Laos. Lao officials on the Lao-Viet border can usually speak some Vietnamese, but Viet officials generally can't speak Lao. I have been there and know this for a fact. Same with Viet officials on the Chinese border - they can speak Chinese, but Chinese officials speak only Chinese and English, not Viet.

Vietnamese is also only understood amongst a very small minority of people on the Thai side of the Lao border, not many as you say...same with Thai in Myanmar but not Burmese in Thailand (except amongst the immigrant workers and some Burmese signboards near the Burmese border) in Thailand. As mentioned above, Chinese is quite strong in northern Laos, but Lao is non-existant anywhere in Chinese territory except when it comes to the Dai language, which is fairly close but not exactly the same language.

I've also found that the majority of South-East Asian Chinese language students here in Kunming don't speak much English at all for some strange reason. The ones back in their home countries that didn't major in Chinese are often quite good at English, so I guess there aren't that many polyglots around as you say - 2 languages seems to be what the average person knows and not more.

Although if we're on the subject of which SE Asian language to learn IN ADDITION TO English, which will continue to be important, then it must be Thai. Thai is understood throughout Thailand, Laos, western Cambodia and the Shan State of Myanmar. No other SE Asian language is as dominant as Thai.

This is reflected in the much greater interest amongst Chinese students in studying Thai than say, Vietnamese. I have met tons of Chinese students interested in, or with at least one semester of Thai behind them, but only two who had studied Vietnamese.

Sounds good in principle, but learning to speak all SE Asian languages would require you to be some kind of linguistic genius and probably half a lifetime of devotion. Speaking only one of the languages from the region, say Thai or Burmese or Vietnamese, wouldn't help much in neighboring countries since each language in the region is not mutually intelligible with only limited overlapping...so such an approach would mean limiting your engagement to one country.

In parts of northern Laos and northern Myanmar, no attempts are made by Chinese settlers to learn the local language - everything (signboards, menus etc.) is in Chinese and locals [Laotians and Burmese] who can't speak this foreign language [Chinese] are left out.

Also, I don't think English should be forgotten - despite various levels of English fluency in the region, English is still the only global lingua franca and the global language of business. English is the only language you can successfully use in all SE Asian countries. While it's great to know Thai, Lao, Burmese etc. it isn't realistic unless you are living in those countries. I have also noticed that just like with English, Chinese learners of these SE Asian languages really struggle, and when encountering a local that speaks good English, the conversation will usually inevitably switch to English since the local will assume the other party can't speak their language well enough. It's only once fluency is achieved that this is overcome.

My recommendation would be for both Chinese and other foreigners interested in investing/doing business with the region to know how to speak English fluently, followed by becoming proficient in at least the basics of their host countries' language to at least show some interest and respect. Apart from those interested in becoming translators however, I personally think time and money is better spent gaining technical skills and then applying some language skills on the side - not the other way round.

I've done that and I'm doing quite well. I am an engineer that has worked in Vietnam and Thailand and I speak Thai and some Lao with an almost native accent (and can read and write both languages) - something that is of enormous benefit to me, but I have achieved this as a side passion rather than as my main job. Still, I barely speak Vietnamese and don't have the energy or time to work on it - in any case, doing business isn't difficult as most educated people there speak English anyway and I have a very good friend who helps me so it's all good. Ditto for Cambodia and Myanmar.

There is an error in this article. Lao Airlines flies only twice (2) a week from Luang Prabang to Jinghong, not daily. They only just restarted this service recently and I highly doubt there would be enough demand for a daily service at this time. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if this service were to once again be suspended in the near future. Luang Prabang-Kunming flights are said to be restarted again in the near future too, but no date has been given.

Check out online copies of Lao Airlines' Champa inflight magazine for more details.

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What do you mean by "foreigners"? Everyone who is a non-citizen of Myanmar and wants to travel there is a foreigner. I doubt Burmese citizens require visas to return to their homeland.

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Horrible tasteless, thick-crusted "cardboard" like pizzas that are a far cry from what they should be like. Way overpriced too. Wine may be good, but why bother when the nearby Prague Cafe makes much better pizza at a more reasonable price?

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Great Mexican food and ice cream, excellent Raspberry smoothies and an overall good atmosphere. Can't do much about the low ceilings on the second floor, but the early closing time could be adjusted, after all, the nearby French Cafe closes at 1am.