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Forums > Travel Yunnan > Renting a car to see Yunnan independently

Ha...it's not that complicated. As long as you can prepare for your driver license exam before you arrive and do some practice tests so that you will pass the first time around when you do the exam on a Thursday in Kunming, you'll be OK. I believe a temporary Chinese driver's license can also be obtained at Beijing Capital Airport on arrival quite legitimately, but why not go for the full driver's license from Kunming?

I have a Chinese driver's license and while I didn't pass the first time round, I did pass once I studied the manual in sufficient detail (my previous attempts helped me to score 89 and 86, just short of the passing grade of 90) - this was due to a lack of study and nothing else. BTW you have two attempts to pass during any one session.

Driving in China ain't easy, but certainly easier than in many other developing countries, particularly out on the expressways. It's a nice and easy way of getting around, although you'll have to factor in fuel costs, toll fees and possibly parking fees as well as car rental expenses if you're renting. Still, if split between a few people it can be remarkably affordable and a great way to see the country.

In short: do a search for the .pdf or word version of the Chinese driver's license manual on this site or google it and then go for your license once you're in China. If you pass, you'll receive your license the same day and it will be valid for 6 years - make sure you go at least a day before the test to register with all your documents and a Chinese speaker if you don't speak Chinese sufficiently to go yourself.

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Forums > Travel Yunnan > ATM Cards vs Machines -Which ATMs are best?

@Blade, basically there is only one Thai bank that does not charge you a 150Baht withdrawal fee when withdrawing money using a foreign issued card; that bank is Aeon. I am fairly sure that is the only bank in Thailand that continues to charge nothing - the 150 Baht fee was only introduced a few years ago and adopted by every bank except Aeon, before that it was completely free for all.

In regards to China, no ATMs should charge you a fee for withdrawals using a foreign issued card - at least the Bank of China doesn't.

Also, Bank of China does NOT charge a fee for withdrawing money from your own account using your Bank of China card in the city the account was opened. Maybe other banks do, but the Bank of China doesn't charge from what I've seen.

Beware that not many banks in China have ATMs that take foreign cards. The only three that are trouble free with foreign issued cards are Bank of China, China Construction Bank and ICBC (and foreign banks, such as ANZ which are only found in major cities like Shanghai, Chongqing, Guangzhou and Beijing). However, the limit per withdrawal is 2500 Yuan at the Bank of China and often less elsewhere. It seems that it is not possible to make a cash advance using your foreign issued credit card for more than the ATM limit in one transaction. This is probably a government law to put a limit on funds that can be brought into or taken out of China in any one day.

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Forums > Travel Yunnan > Get out of Kunming!

@crazy.laowai, the OP didn't want to go to Thailand, so obviously he doesn't want to go to a Thai island.

While there aren't any direct flights from Kunming to Vietnam anymore, it only takes 8 hours on a bus to reach the Vietnamese border town of Hekou and there are cheap flights on China Southern via Guangzhou to Ho Chi Minh City, from where Mui Ne is a 4 hour bus ride away. Nha Trang is a 7 hour train ride or 8-9 hour bus ride or 35 min flight away from Ho Chi Minh City. Great beaches, lots of backpackers, booze cruises and fun are to be had in places like Hoi An and Nha Trang. Everyone is in Vietnam these days and while it's not as wild as Koh Phangan on Vietnamese beach resorts it's probably going to move in that direction eventually. Alternatively, try Cambodian beaches.

Flying out of Vietnam to Europe is easy; there are plenty of direct flights. Vietnam Airlines flies non-stop from Ho Chi Minh City and Hanoi to Frankfurt, London Gatwick, Moscow and Paris. Air France also flies daily from Ho Chi Minh City to Paris and Lufthansa flies three times weekly to Frankfurt with a stopover in Bangkok. Aeroflot also offers a cheap connection from Vietnam via Moscow to the rest of Europe.

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Forums > Living in Kunming > Laowai in Beijing trys to rape girl...

Geez, some of these responses are starting to sound like every foreigner is playing up the "us" vs. "them" mentality in relation to the local Chinese. The reality is, for most Chinese around us, few of them have had much contact with foreigners and probably only in recent years have ever even seen a foreigner and therefore I doubt any would have some kind of pre-conceived negative notion of an otherwise well behaved, law abiding foreigner. The younger generation in particular, is far more accepting of foreigners than the older generation is as you can imagine. Not only are they more accepting, but they want to meet us and become friends with us!!

I have met some of the nicest, most generous people in the world in China and while sometimes it feels a bit weird, I don't go home deliberating as to why some kids screamed "hello" when I walked past (they did so cause they thought it was funny, no other reason) this despite it being very annoying for us. If you were to teach these kids that screaming "hello" is neither amusing nor respectful, then I'm sure they'd stop, after all, Chinese kids are very respectful. Similarly, the number of times I've shared a meal or a few drinks with a hospitable Chinese family who've always paid more than makes up for the annoying comments about how westerners have bigger noses and different colored hair from the locals (which is about as annoying as it gets for me, everything else is a piece of cake). Again, it's because of these differences that we get noticed in the first place.

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Forums > Living in Kunming > Laowai in Beijing trys to rape girl...

Well dazzer, that's because they're racist. Only racist and ignorant people would not want their children to marry "outside the race".

Besides even in this day and age, foreigners are still exotic in China and until China overtakes the USA in per-capita income, a foreigner is still a potential ticket to a good comfortable life in a foreign country for a Chinese person.

Also, I remember a story about how one Swiss man married a Thai girl in a village in the north-eastern part of Thailand (Isan). Within only a short time, about 20 other girls from that town also married Swiss men. I personally don't see any reason why this can't also happen in China.

Only difference is...foreigners don't like travelling to China because it's not considered "cool" or "fun" and there is a perception that no one speaks English in China. That's why all the backpackers are livin' it up in Laos, Thailand, Vietnam, Cambodia etc. and very few of them travel to China.

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Yeah there are lots of hebrew speaking travellers in Vang Vieng these days. Same with regional tourists from Thailand - frankly given that Thai and Lao are nearly the same language I don't see how a Thai speaker can't read Lao, but apparently many can't hence the reason for the Thai signs you saw. Same in Thailand - at petrol (gas) stations near the Lao border, which are popular with Lao motorists you can see signs in Lao next to the Thai since there are some subtle differences between the two languages.

@Senorboogiewoogie, in Laos everything is flexible due to the power of money aka corruption. I was in Vang Vieng around midnight back in 2009 and it was still noisy in parts, but generally quiet outside the center of action.

Also, while perhaps not a good idea, every foreigner living in Laos knows you can sleep with a Lao citizen of the opposite sex in the same room if you are discreet about it and you'll only get in trouble if you piss someone off. I also think that the government only sees the images of westerners in Thailand and the Philippines "buying" girls at girlie bars and wants to maintain a more lowkey image, but naturally no Vietnamese or Chinese (or Thai) truck driver would be without his karaoke and Lao prostitute in the border provinces. The reality is that prostitution is as big in Laos as anywhere else, but maybe just a little less visible. However, in Vientiane there are large numbers of local girls with western or other foreign "boyfriends", or in genuine relationships.

Haha, well I don't think I was that pessimistic, and I do agree with you on some of your points - although being quite knowledgeable about languages myself, there is more overlapping of the dominant language from the more economically powerful country into the less dominant one than the other way round - i.e. despite what you said, there is very little Lao spoken in Vietnam, but the other way round there is quite a bit of Vietnamese understood in Laos. Lao officials on the Lao-Viet border can usually speak some Vietnamese, but Viet officials generally can't speak Lao. I have been there and know this for a fact. Same with Viet officials on the Chinese border - they can speak Chinese, but Chinese officials speak only Chinese and English, not Viet.

Vietnamese is also only understood amongst a very small minority of people on the Thai side of the Lao border, not many as you say...same with Thai in Myanmar but not Burmese in Thailand (except amongst the immigrant workers and some Burmese signboards near the Burmese border) in Thailand. As mentioned above, Chinese is quite strong in northern Laos, but Lao is non-existant anywhere in Chinese territory except when it comes to the Dai language, which is fairly close but not exactly the same language.

I've also found that the majority of South-East Asian Chinese language students here in Kunming don't speak much English at all for some strange reason. The ones back in their home countries that didn't major in Chinese are often quite good at English, so I guess there aren't that many polyglots around as you say - 2 languages seems to be what the average person knows and not more.

Although if we're on the subject of which SE Asian language to learn IN ADDITION TO English, which will continue to be important, then it must be Thai. Thai is understood throughout Thailand, Laos, western Cambodia and the Shan State of Myanmar. No other SE Asian language is as dominant as Thai.

This is reflected in the much greater interest amongst Chinese students in studying Thai than say, Vietnamese. I have met tons of Chinese students interested in, or with at least one semester of Thai behind them, but only two who had studied Vietnamese.

Sounds good in principle, but learning to speak all SE Asian languages would require you to be some kind of linguistic genius and probably half a lifetime of devotion. Speaking only one of the languages from the region, say Thai or Burmese or Vietnamese, wouldn't help much in neighboring countries since each language in the region is not mutually intelligible with only limited overlapping...so such an approach would mean limiting your engagement to one country.

In parts of northern Laos and northern Myanmar, no attempts are made by Chinese settlers to learn the local language - everything (signboards, menus etc.) is in Chinese and locals [Laotians and Burmese] who can't speak this foreign language [Chinese] are left out.

Also, I don't think English should be forgotten - despite various levels of English fluency in the region, English is still the only global lingua franca and the global language of business. English is the only language you can successfully use in all SE Asian countries. While it's great to know Thai, Lao, Burmese etc. it isn't realistic unless you are living in those countries. I have also noticed that just like with English, Chinese learners of these SE Asian languages really struggle, and when encountering a local that speaks good English, the conversation will usually inevitably switch to English since the local will assume the other party can't speak their language well enough. It's only once fluency is achieved that this is overcome.

My recommendation would be for both Chinese and other foreigners interested in investing/doing business with the region to know how to speak English fluently, followed by becoming proficient in at least the basics of their host countries' language to at least show some interest and respect. Apart from those interested in becoming translators however, I personally think time and money is better spent gaining technical skills and then applying some language skills on the side - not the other way round.

I've done that and I'm doing quite well. I am an engineer that has worked in Vietnam and Thailand and I speak Thai and some Lao with an almost native accent (and can read and write both languages) - something that is of enormous benefit to me, but I have achieved this as a side passion rather than as my main job. Still, I barely speak Vietnamese and don't have the energy or time to work on it - in any case, doing business isn't difficult as most educated people there speak English anyway and I have a very good friend who helps me so it's all good. Ditto for Cambodia and Myanmar.

There is an error in this article. Lao Airlines flies only twice (2) a week from Luang Prabang to Jinghong, not daily. They only just restarted this service recently and I highly doubt there would be enough demand for a daily service at this time. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if this service were to once again be suspended in the near future. Luang Prabang-Kunming flights are said to be restarted again in the near future too, but no date has been given.

Check out online copies of Lao Airlines' Champa inflight magazine for more details.

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What do you mean by "foreigners"? Everyone who is a non-citizen of Myanmar and wants to travel there is a foreigner. I doubt Burmese citizens require visas to return to their homeland.

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Horrible tasteless, thick-crusted "cardboard" like pizzas that are a far cry from what they should be like. Way overpriced too. Wine may be good, but why bother when the nearby Prague Cafe makes much better pizza at a more reasonable price?

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Great Mexican food and ice cream, excellent Raspberry smoothies and an overall good atmosphere. Can't do much about the low ceilings on the second floor, but the early closing time could be adjusted, after all, the nearby French Cafe closes at 1am.