Forums > Living in Kunming > Problems with China Eastern Airlines rejected_goods, nice article, thanks for that. I thought that Chinese airlines were also hiring foreign pilots to fill the gaps in locally available skills and experience? I know that Sichuan airlines has foreign pilots as part of their cockpit crew. Dragonair, Lao Airlines and other regional airlines almost always have at least one foreign pilot on each flight too. According to a friend who has lived and worked in Laos for almost 30 years, "you can only trust Lao Airlines if the pilot is French and not Indonesian". Last flight on Lao Airlines out of Kunming to Vientiane was horrible on take-off with very heavy turbulence, but otherwise routine the rest of the journey - the pilot was French and his French accent was very reassuring.
Forums > Living in Kunming > I wouln't want to be in Beijing right now. @BillDan, agree with you fully. It's sad because Chinese have been treated too well in foreign countries, especially our own (not that we should necessarily change that, but how about showing us some reciprocity?)
Forums > Living in Kunming > Please may somebody help me to get Studient Visa in Kunming? CROwai are you sure? I don't really think they care. They only care about the money. I know plenty of students, including YNNU "students" that have signed up for classes but barely attend any. Many of the Thai students there this year don't attend much class at all, instead they drink at night, then sleep until 1 or 2pm (all classes are in the morning). I know exactly who these "students" are, though they shall remain nameless of course, haha.
Forums > Living in Kunming > Problems with China Eastern Airlines Good to know re: China Eastern, but like I said before, both safety and good service are important factors when it comes to choosing whom to fly with. I don't understand the need to save $100 only to end up with poor service and possibly questionable safety and unreliable service. I am even willing to pay a little extra to upgrade to business class in some cases...make sure you sign up for a frequent flyer program and the benefits will start rolling in soon enough.
Also, I find the awful quality of the English in any Chinese airlines' inflight magazine and the difficulty in making reservation changes (especially if you don't speak enough Chinese) as a sign that many Chinese airlines are not professional enough for international passengers. Look at the quality of English spoken on THAI and Singapore Airlines flights, in their published materials such as inflight magazines, promotional material, website etc. not to mention Cathay Pacific. THAI has even stopped issuing boarding passes printed in both Thai and English - now it's only English. No wonder they always feature rave reviews by international travellers. Chinese airlines could learn a lot from these airlines. Unfortunately, neither THAI nor SQ fly to Canada at this time, so you'll probably have to stick with Cathay.
Forums > Living in Kunming > Chinese Citizenship @yuantongsi, ah...interesting info, I didn't know that. All I know is that in the most open and least developed SE Asian countries close to China, there are a lot of Chinese citizens that seem to be living partly in China and partly there (Laos and Myanmar), mainly in border areas of course.
I also thought that another reason for allowing dual citizenship was that the large number of overseas Chinese in the west could be encouraged to come back to China without relinquishing their "foreign" citizenship. Anyway, this is just a thought of mine, seems like you know a lot more about this issue than I do.
Getting Away: Vang Vieng
发布者Yeah there are lots of hebrew speaking travellers in Vang Vieng these days. Same with regional tourists from Thailand - frankly given that Thai and Lao are nearly the same language I don't see how a Thai speaker can't read Lao, but apparently many can't hence the reason for the Thai signs you saw. Same in Thailand - at petrol (gas) stations near the Lao border, which are popular with Lao motorists you can see signs in Lao next to the Thai since there are some subtle differences between the two languages.
Getting Away: Vang Vieng
发布者@Senorboogiewoogie, in Laos everything is flexible due to the power of money aka corruption. I was in Vang Vieng around midnight back in 2009 and it was still noisy in parts, but generally quiet outside the center of action.
Also, while perhaps not a good idea, every foreigner living in Laos knows you can sleep with a Lao citizen of the opposite sex in the same room if you are discreet about it and you'll only get in trouble if you piss someone off. I also think that the government only sees the images of westerners in Thailand and the Philippines "buying" girls at girlie bars and wants to maintain a more lowkey image, but naturally no Vietnamese or Chinese (or Thai) truck driver would be without his karaoke and Lao prostitute in the border provinces. The reality is that prostitution is as big in Laos as anywhere else, but maybe just a little less visible. However, in Vientiane there are large numbers of local girls with western or other foreign "boyfriends", or in genuine relationships.
Booming Southeast Asian trade necessitates bilingual graduates
发布者Haha, well I don't think I was that pessimistic, and I do agree with you on some of your points - although being quite knowledgeable about languages myself, there is more overlapping of the dominant language from the more economically powerful country into the less dominant one than the other way round - i.e. despite what you said, there is very little Lao spoken in Vietnam, but the other way round there is quite a bit of Vietnamese understood in Laos. Lao officials on the Lao-Viet border can usually speak some Vietnamese, but Viet officials generally can't speak Lao. I have been there and know this for a fact. Same with Viet officials on the Chinese border - they can speak Chinese, but Chinese officials speak only Chinese and English, not Viet.
Vietnamese is also only understood amongst a very small minority of people on the Thai side of the Lao border, not many as you say...same with Thai in Myanmar but not Burmese in Thailand (except amongst the immigrant workers and some Burmese signboards near the Burmese border) in Thailand. As mentioned above, Chinese is quite strong in northern Laos, but Lao is non-existant anywhere in Chinese territory except when it comes to the Dai language, which is fairly close but not exactly the same language.
I've also found that the majority of South-East Asian Chinese language students here in Kunming don't speak much English at all for some strange reason. The ones back in their home countries that didn't major in Chinese are often quite good at English, so I guess there aren't that many polyglots around as you say - 2 languages seems to be what the average person knows and not more.
Although if we're on the subject of which SE Asian language to learn IN ADDITION TO English, which will continue to be important, then it must be Thai. Thai is understood throughout Thailand, Laos, western Cambodia and the Shan State of Myanmar. No other SE Asian language is as dominant as Thai.
This is reflected in the much greater interest amongst Chinese students in studying Thai than say, Vietnamese. I have met tons of Chinese students interested in, or with at least one semester of Thai behind them, but only two who had studied Vietnamese.
Booming Southeast Asian trade necessitates bilingual graduates
发布者Sounds good in principle, but learning to speak all SE Asian languages would require you to be some kind of linguistic genius and probably half a lifetime of devotion. Speaking only one of the languages from the region, say Thai or Burmese or Vietnamese, wouldn't help much in neighboring countries since each language in the region is not mutually intelligible with only limited overlapping...so such an approach would mean limiting your engagement to one country.
In parts of northern Laos and northern Myanmar, no attempts are made by Chinese settlers to learn the local language - everything (signboards, menus etc.) is in Chinese and locals [Laotians and Burmese] who can't speak this foreign language [Chinese] are left out.
Also, I don't think English should be forgotten - despite various levels of English fluency in the region, English is still the only global lingua franca and the global language of business. English is the only language you can successfully use in all SE Asian countries. While it's great to know Thai, Lao, Burmese etc. it isn't realistic unless you are living in those countries. I have also noticed that just like with English, Chinese learners of these SE Asian languages really struggle, and when encountering a local that speaks good English, the conversation will usually inevitably switch to English since the local will assume the other party can't speak their language well enough. It's only once fluency is achieved that this is overcome.
My recommendation would be for both Chinese and other foreigners interested in investing/doing business with the region to know how to speak English fluently, followed by becoming proficient in at least the basics of their host countries' language to at least show some interest and respect. Apart from those interested in becoming translators however, I personally think time and money is better spent gaining technical skills and then applying some language skills on the side - not the other way round.
I've done that and I'm doing quite well. I am an engineer that has worked in Vietnam and Thailand and I speak Thai and some Lao with an almost native accent (and can read and write both languages) - something that is of enormous benefit to me, but I have achieved this as a side passion rather than as my main job. Still, I barely speak Vietnamese and don't have the energy or time to work on it - in any case, doing business isn't difficult as most educated people there speak English anyway and I have a very good friend who helps me so it's all good. Ditto for Cambodia and Myanmar.
Getting Away: Luang Prabang
发布者There is an error in this article. Lao Airlines flies only twice (2) a week from Luang Prabang to Jinghong, not daily. They only just restarted this service recently and I highly doubt there would be enough demand for a daily service at this time. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if this service were to once again be suspended in the near future. Luang Prabang-Kunming flights are said to be restarted again in the near future too, but no date has been given.
Check out online copies of Lao Airlines' Champa inflight magazine for more details.