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Forums > Living in Kunming > RMB to dollars to US

@vexed, wrong, you don't need a Chinese person, I've done it myself through my own Bank of China account.

The only reason you might want a local to accompany you is if you don't speak enough Chinese to make your needs understood by the staff.

Basically there is a limit of USD 500 or equivalent that can be converted per day from Yuan into foreign currency - this limit applies to all persons irrespective of nationality and is a Chinese government law designed to reduce the possibility of capital flight. If you need to send more than that, you'll have to come in every day to convert more currency into your desired foreign currency prior to making a telegraphic transfer (also known as a wire transfer) request, which costs around 200 Yuan (which is almost twice as expensive than sending money from Europe or Australia to China or any other country for example). I believe that if you send money first to Hong Kong and then from there to another country the USD 500 per day limit does not apply, but in order to do that, you'd need a bank account or broker based in Hong Kong to help you, which makes little sense unless you are making regular transfers of large amounts.

So, in order to send say USD 2,000 from mainland China to the USA you'll need to come into the Bank of China 4 times (on 4 different days) and convert the money into USD, USD 500 at a time, which will be in the form of a USD account since it is still not possible to send RMB out of China electronically (though it is possible to wire RMB into China).

On the 4th day, you make a wire transfer request and the RMB 200 fee will be deducted from your account. The funds should be available in your US account within 1-2 business days.

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Forums > Food & Drink > JianShe Lu Dai place, did it close?

I'm assuming this "Dai" hole-in-the-wall place on Jianshe Lu is the same one that I've been to, which is popular with Thai, Lao and even western university students studying in Kunming. I went with a friend from Europe and 2 Thai friends back in March I think it was, who told me the food was actually Thai, not Dai.

Since I know Thailand and it's food very well, in my opinion the food was closer to Thai too, rather than Dai, even if it wasn't that authentic but close enough for me. Also, this restaurant's food was definately much less similar to the Dai food you get in various restaurants around the Yunnan University area.

Of course the place had no atmosphere, but the food was surprisingly good despite the questionable food safety standards. Still, I didn't get sick which is a good thing!

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Forums > Living in Kunming > Do the Chinese of Kunming stare a lot at Laowai?

Hmm..everyone seems to have similar sort of experiences and I'm in the same boat.

Speaking of the "hellos" they have become proportionally less in the past year compared even to 2009 when I first travelled to Kunming or 2010 when I first stayed long term. I have also noticed a vast increase in the number of foreigners coming to and residing in Kunming since 2011.

I have noticed that walking down a street in Kunming, most people neither care about foreigners, nor stare. Only a small minority of people even say "helloooo", which would be considered a very boring and lame joke in the west, even if we reversed it to Chinese and made it "nihaoooo" it still wouldn't be considered funny in our sarcastic western societies. Still, I haven't experienced a "hello" since last year and it generally comes from small children these days or occassionally from groups of teenagers or university students, never people older than about 25 or 30.

Anyway, I agree with the commentors about travelling in other rural parts of SE Asia and even in parts of China where there are lots of non-Han minorities - the stares are either very rare, subtle or even largely non-existant. I have spent many years travelling throughout every country in SE Asia multiple times including rural areas. Irrespective of the mode of travel (car, bus, train, plane, minivan etc.) and whether I'm in the countryside or not, few locals are interested in my presence and the vast majority are used to seeing foreigners even if they're not that common in a particular area.

For some reason Han Chinese in mainland China however still act quite weird in the presence of foreigners...must be a cultural thing, because as I said in every other country in the region, even Myanmar, which has fewer foreigners than Yunnan the reaction is usually very subtle or non-existant.

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Forums > Living in Kunming > New law targets foreigners' illegal presence

Sure, and those people you refer to are usually desperate, poverty stricken Vietnamese villagers looking to make more money in China, but they usually get sent back rather quickly once caught.

Still, since the penalties for illegally crossing a border and illegally working in China are quite severe compared to other countries, I don't think that many people try the above; it's usually in SE Asia where it's a big problem - i.e. Myanmar nationals working illegally in Thailand but then eventually being allowed to stay in some cases.

When it comes to overtaying visas and/or working on tourist visas, this is a common practice whereby the person involved does not seek to obtain a proper work visa for whatever reason. The same thing happens in SE Asia, particularly Thailand where huge numbers of foreigners (mostly westerners) were abusing the visa system by living in the country on 30 day tourist "visas" and were working on these. The country started clamping down and restricting overland crossings to just 15 day stays for westerners, plus introducing a 90 day in 180 day rule for residing in Thailand on visa exemptions for all visa-exempt nationals.

Sounds like China is trying to do the same, and as long as it's possible to obtain a work visa for legally working and residing in China, then I don't see why some people still go down the illegal route.

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Forums > Living in Kunming > How are Black-Aqmericans treated?

@laotou, I think this topic has just about been done to death, so I won't go any further as it will just bring out more anger and frustration on our part as we could go on and on about racism in China but let me just clear up what I meant by "homogeneous":

This term means that the population of China is largely composed of one ethnic group (92% Han), and even the minority ethnic groups look largely indistinguishable to the majority, except for their dress. Therefore China is nothing like the USA, Australia etc. with their large minority groups all largely living together in harmony these days. This means that anyone who doesn't look like the majority is automatically labeled a "foreigner" in China, whereas a black person in the USA is just as likely to be a native as a white person is.

Regarding your Qing Dynasty, dongbei comparison etc. yes you are absolutely correct.

Anyway, I think I've said enough about this topic, but just like everyone else, maybe it's just to blow off a little steam since I don't get much opportunity to talk about these kinds of issues with the locals as they don't seem to understand what foreigners have to deal with here.

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Yeah there are lots of hebrew speaking travellers in Vang Vieng these days. Same with regional tourists from Thailand - frankly given that Thai and Lao are nearly the same language I don't see how a Thai speaker can't read Lao, but apparently many can't hence the reason for the Thai signs you saw. Same in Thailand - at petrol (gas) stations near the Lao border, which are popular with Lao motorists you can see signs in Lao next to the Thai since there are some subtle differences between the two languages.

@Senorboogiewoogie, in Laos everything is flexible due to the power of money aka corruption. I was in Vang Vieng around midnight back in 2009 and it was still noisy in parts, but generally quiet outside the center of action.

Also, while perhaps not a good idea, every foreigner living in Laos knows you can sleep with a Lao citizen of the opposite sex in the same room if you are discreet about it and you'll only get in trouble if you piss someone off. I also think that the government only sees the images of westerners in Thailand and the Philippines "buying" girls at girlie bars and wants to maintain a more lowkey image, but naturally no Vietnamese or Chinese (or Thai) truck driver would be without his karaoke and Lao prostitute in the border provinces. The reality is that prostitution is as big in Laos as anywhere else, but maybe just a little less visible. However, in Vientiane there are large numbers of local girls with western or other foreign "boyfriends", or in genuine relationships.

Haha, well I don't think I was that pessimistic, and I do agree with you on some of your points - although being quite knowledgeable about languages myself, there is more overlapping of the dominant language from the more economically powerful country into the less dominant one than the other way round - i.e. despite what you said, there is very little Lao spoken in Vietnam, but the other way round there is quite a bit of Vietnamese understood in Laos. Lao officials on the Lao-Viet border can usually speak some Vietnamese, but Viet officials generally can't speak Lao. I have been there and know this for a fact. Same with Viet officials on the Chinese border - they can speak Chinese, but Chinese officials speak only Chinese and English, not Viet.

Vietnamese is also only understood amongst a very small minority of people on the Thai side of the Lao border, not many as you say...same with Thai in Myanmar but not Burmese in Thailand (except amongst the immigrant workers and some Burmese signboards near the Burmese border) in Thailand. As mentioned above, Chinese is quite strong in northern Laos, but Lao is non-existant anywhere in Chinese territory except when it comes to the Dai language, which is fairly close but not exactly the same language.

I've also found that the majority of South-East Asian Chinese language students here in Kunming don't speak much English at all for some strange reason. The ones back in their home countries that didn't major in Chinese are often quite good at English, so I guess there aren't that many polyglots around as you say - 2 languages seems to be what the average person knows and not more.

Although if we're on the subject of which SE Asian language to learn IN ADDITION TO English, which will continue to be important, then it must be Thai. Thai is understood throughout Thailand, Laos, western Cambodia and the Shan State of Myanmar. No other SE Asian language is as dominant as Thai.

This is reflected in the much greater interest amongst Chinese students in studying Thai than say, Vietnamese. I have met tons of Chinese students interested in, or with at least one semester of Thai behind them, but only two who had studied Vietnamese.

Sounds good in principle, but learning to speak all SE Asian languages would require you to be some kind of linguistic genius and probably half a lifetime of devotion. Speaking only one of the languages from the region, say Thai or Burmese or Vietnamese, wouldn't help much in neighboring countries since each language in the region is not mutually intelligible with only limited overlapping...so such an approach would mean limiting your engagement to one country.

In parts of northern Laos and northern Myanmar, no attempts are made by Chinese settlers to learn the local language - everything (signboards, menus etc.) is in Chinese and locals [Laotians and Burmese] who can't speak this foreign language [Chinese] are left out.

Also, I don't think English should be forgotten - despite various levels of English fluency in the region, English is still the only global lingua franca and the global language of business. English is the only language you can successfully use in all SE Asian countries. While it's great to know Thai, Lao, Burmese etc. it isn't realistic unless you are living in those countries. I have also noticed that just like with English, Chinese learners of these SE Asian languages really struggle, and when encountering a local that speaks good English, the conversation will usually inevitably switch to English since the local will assume the other party can't speak their language well enough. It's only once fluency is achieved that this is overcome.

My recommendation would be for both Chinese and other foreigners interested in investing/doing business with the region to know how to speak English fluently, followed by becoming proficient in at least the basics of their host countries' language to at least show some interest and respect. Apart from those interested in becoming translators however, I personally think time and money is better spent gaining technical skills and then applying some language skills on the side - not the other way round.

I've done that and I'm doing quite well. I am an engineer that has worked in Vietnam and Thailand and I speak Thai and some Lao with an almost native accent (and can read and write both languages) - something that is of enormous benefit to me, but I have achieved this as a side passion rather than as my main job. Still, I barely speak Vietnamese and don't have the energy or time to work on it - in any case, doing business isn't difficult as most educated people there speak English anyway and I have a very good friend who helps me so it's all good. Ditto for Cambodia and Myanmar.

There is an error in this article. Lao Airlines flies only twice (2) a week from Luang Prabang to Jinghong, not daily. They only just restarted this service recently and I highly doubt there would be enough demand for a daily service at this time. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if this service were to once again be suspended in the near future. Luang Prabang-Kunming flights are said to be restarted again in the near future too, but no date has been given.

Check out online copies of Lao Airlines' Champa inflight magazine for more details.

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What do you mean by "foreigners"? Everyone who is a non-citizen of Myanmar and wants to travel there is a foreigner. I doubt Burmese citizens require visas to return to their homeland.

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Horrible tasteless, thick-crusted "cardboard" like pizzas that are a far cry from what they should be like. Way overpriced too. Wine may be good, but why bother when the nearby Prague Cafe makes much better pizza at a more reasonable price?

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Great Mexican food and ice cream, excellent Raspberry smoothies and an overall good atmosphere. Can't do much about the low ceilings on the second floor, but the early closing time could be adjusted, after all, the nearby French Cafe closes at 1am.