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Does China have any culture remaining??

mike4g_air (788 posts) • 0

Does China have any culture remaining??
How much ??

Wiki, "Chinese culture is one of the world's oldest cultures. The area in which the culture is dominant covers a large geographical region in eastern Asia with customs and traditions varying greatly between provinces, cities, and even towns. Important components of Chinese culture include literature, music, visual arts, martial arts, cuisine, religion etc.

In Chinese business culture, the concept of guanxi, indicating the primacy of relations over rules, has been well documented."

Other than Guanxi what else does the average modern Chinese family have? ??

AlPage48 (1394 posts) • +1

The average modern Chinese family appears to have a Mercedes (or two) but no knowledge of how to drive it safely.

The Dudeson's (1106 posts) • 0

First culture develops everywhere were group of people lives together, and live standard is beyond the level of pure survival. That's when all the cultural starts incubating. Knowing the human migration from Africa, Chinese culture can't be the oldest culture as well as we all know it is not the highest culture world wide.

The oldest high cultures I know (been told) is Egypt, Greek, South American, Arabian and Indian culture.

The worst about the Chinese culture is, that is self advertises a picture that it's so far away from it that is looks ridiculous to me. Other countries of this planet have maybe a crappy culture but they don;t try to advertise it as something it isn't. Thus being modest (advertised by Confucious as one of the highest virtues)

Geezer (1953 posts) • 0

The term "culture" is somewhat, when used by Chinese, ambiguous. Chinese often claim 5,000 years of "civilization." This thoughtful essay tackles the issue of Chinese culture/civilization and the unquestioned claim it has existed for 5,000 years.

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The Dudeson's (1106 posts) • 0

@Geezer,
True it probably doesn't mean the same but even in terms of civilization, China isn't even one of the first and most def not one of the most culturally nurturing one.

But you are right about the existence of it but at the time when it (Chin. civil.) started, back in Egypt an already high culture (the meaning is questionable, due all the feudal stuff, murder and sacrifices) emerged but nonetheless it was far advanced.

IMHO actually it is sad, because if Chinese culture would be as benevolent as it self proclaims so nicely, it would be quite nice, if you would include some of the higher philosophies of Taoism and other scholars. But funny thing is nobody is forcing Chinese not too. They are too busy to screw themselves. Sadly. Imagine the whole of China under a high culture, sounds very nice to me.

Shoei (78 posts) • 0

well if you connect all the history that includes being ruled by other countries, being a time in history wherein they were much affected by drugs and all and treated harshly by "children of the devil"

adding now that the country has open its doors for foreigners and their culture im sure there will be changes in the culture as it will adopt and adjust.

gone are the days where the women feet are bound as to not get big and etc.

whether be negative or good everything has its reasons for change.

Silvio DaVinci (282 posts) • 0

I second Yankee.
Although I didn't expect it to be this bad like the Wild West when I moved here... It's sad how nearly no-one has respect other than afraid "to get embarrassed" or "lose face" :( that's not called respect, that's called "maintaining your image / status" only out of self interest.

The Dudeson's (1106 posts) • 0

@Shoei
It's not exactly that foreigners just ran into China one day and said: "This is all mine." Not they wouldn't have liked it, but there is (as always) more behind the story.

Also please be aware that I am not defending the actions of the foreign powers back in the day.

But in short it's just history repeating today. (talking about the western foreign forces)
At the time foreigner were allowed to live in China (in what was described as ghettoes) they were not allowed to work, or do businesses (or only by huge taxes up to I heard up to 200% depending on the goods), they were attacked and excluded from all walks of life in China. There were a few envoys working with the empire and officials but more for a mianzi thing than real cooperation it seems since they often humiliated.

In short it's the same as today, a bit more moderate but if you read a bit into the past of histories foreign relations you will see that in theory there is very little change.

They tried to screw over foreigner as much today as they did in the old days. Not being able to find a fair or stimulating business deal and then cheat themselves dizzy.

Also check out the story behind the looting of the old summer palace. A lot of interesting facts there that China doesn't like to aknowledge.

Just for fun read some articles about the past in China you will find

History:
-no integration of foreigners.
-Public humiliated and promoted hate/stereotypes
-Limited businesses or employment
-over taxing and random change of laws and regulation
-No right for foreigners in court of law (if there was something like it) if

you didn't have a sponsor (guanxi)
-cheating and break of agreements as standard procedure.
-False accusations to outcast certain groups.
-Forced businesses
-Bad tea prices, revenge through opium.
-greed
-trying to build a monopoly of chinese goods as their export strategy.
-Random attacks and violence even murder of foreigners
-Terrible foreign diplomacy.
-Nationalistic attitudes (gods send Children= Chinese)
-If you don't like it you can leave...
-Military on the ground but still acting like the worlds strongest power.
-Sinocentrism; China is best everything else are barbarian.

Plus be aware that opium wasn't banned from the beginning and guess who made a lot of money from it until it was banned.
Again all that doesn't justified the actions of the foreign forces but having empires to lose, the tactical reaction was obvious especially when your countries smartest general had the name Sunzi and wrote an even smarter book about strategy and warfare.

Present:
See if anything listed above, sounds familiar with today's China.

I'm not saying that foreign states became wiser all together but it took much less to evolve from once mistakes. The U.S. might be an exception of it foreign policy wise but in general I think it's pretty accurate (IMHO).

Also I want to make clear that I condemn what the Japanes did in China, it was unjustified and sick. I hope that those two countires get their shit together and get a real progress in their disputes.

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