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Lijiang dissapointing?

tallamerican (396 posts) • 0

@LouieK - did not mean to complain, just want others to get accurate idea of what Lijiang is like now. I prefer to stay away from crowds so when i realized how busy Lijiang old town is now i went to the quieter Shuhe area. As i said before my wife had a very successful business in Lijiang for over 10 years and loved the city. Her comments were Lijiang has changed and not for the better. I also always assumed when i visit a tourist city that when i rent a room, buy a meal or purchase items from their tourist shops that part of the price includes user taxes. I am okay with that, just concerned about fees that could not be accurately explained so my wife could understand. Many people may really like lijiang it just was not my kind of place.

Natsymir (101 posts) • 0

As others have said, a lot of touristy places in Yunnan are organised in a way so that locals can go there for free, but domestic and international tourists have to pay. It is to various degress possible to avoid these tourist fees, some examples:

Lijiang has an 'Old Town Protection Fee', 80 kuai. You have to have the receipt for paying this fee if you want to enter the Jade Peak Monastery, the Black Dragon Pool Park, see the Baisha Frescoes, etc, but in the Mu Family Mansion ticket office they will not ask for it.

Bingzhoungluo in Nujiang River Valley have an entrance ticket for the Scenic Area, 100 kuai, that is enforced via a road checkpoint. Local drivers (found in Gaoshan) can make you pass for a local or hide you in minivans with dark windows, and just drive through this checkpoint without being stopped. You will then never have to pay this fee as long as you stay north of the checkpoint.

The huge monastery complex in Shangri-la has an entrance fee of ~100 kuai that is enforced via a road checkpoint very very far down the road, even buses are stopped. If you are a westerner it is impossible to pass for a local, and the only way to avoid paying is to approach the monastery on foot from the mountains or so. The monastery itself has absolutely no ticket control. You can talk the checkpoint people into letting you enter the monastery area two days in a row if you show them your tickets from last day and tell them that you only want to photograph the villages beyond the checkpoint, but it'll take some mandarin and persuasion skills. You can then enter the monastery at leisure.

The Mingyong glacier and Yubeng national park in Deqin have an entrance fee combined with entry ticket that is enforced by a road checkpoint (~60 kuai). Because this checkpoint is located next to the bridge over the Mekong, and the entrance fee is included in the entry ticket to Mingyong/Yubeng, it is probably almost impossible to avoid, but you could theoretically do the long, long treck down into the valley from Feilai Si, find a bridge over the Mekong without a checkpoint, walk/hitchhike up into the valleys, and then sneak into Yubeng/Mingyong before the ticket boots open in the morning.

While these fees might feel like robbery to a certain extent (I got fucking furious by the checkpoint in Shangri-la), they do make a little bit of sense if you think about it; the locals have to be able to go to their monastery for free. Sure, I'm from Sweden where like all tourist sights are free, so I don't approve of having to pay at all, but if we disregard that for a moment, at least it's good that they organize it in such a way that the locals don't have to pay. From that perspective, I think this kind of fees is a better idea than just making everything inside the tourist area ridiculously expensive due to tourism taxes or something.

laotou (1714 posts) • 0

The ludicrous fees for everything are designed to keep the tourist foot traffic down - supply and demand. Locals are of course, free. Even the USA has this system (e.g. Torrey Pines Golf course - local green fees were once USD 20 while non-residents would fork out USD 70+ to play either PGA rated course (north & south).

Unfortunately - this also creates an economic gap to China's poor. A lottery system would probably service better - somewhat more fare (graft and corruption aside), but that's kind of high tech for this latent industry at this time.

tallamerican (396 posts) • 0

i do not mind paying fees if i know it is going to benefit local people but i fear much of it is helping the wrong people buy more and more homes and line the streets in front of these homes with big expensive cars.

HFCAMPO (3062 posts) • 0

I do Not work and have a lot of free time so I do all my travelling during the off season. I stay at home during the Big 3 holidays and weekends and I only go out during the weekdays. Because I have the luxury of time, I am able to take some great pictures without any visitors. Additionally, I like to travel to the many unknown scenic spots which offer more culture and friendly people.

A place I really like is the Sand Forest in Qujing. I have been there 3 times during the weekdays and we were the only ones in the entire park.

www.hugoyunnantravel.com/des_qujing.asp?page=4

I was very disappointed when I recently visited Ba Mei in Wenshan last year. I have been there 6 times in the last 8 years and the ticket price was always 40 Yuan. However, when I visited in Oct 2011 the price jumped to 100 Yuan.

I keep all my ticket stubs and I am amazed at the price difference in just a few years.

cloudtrapezer (756 posts) • 0

Lijiang is wonderful. Just don't go there during Golden Week holidays, stay off the main bar street and try to get out into the countryside. Dali is great too by the way - same rules apply.

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