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International Moving Companies???

Brian (17 posts) • 0

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Thanks so much for that info. I have been out of town and just tried to call your number but it was out of service. I assume that you guys have already moved? If you see this, would you please post another reply when you get your shipment in Toronto to let us know how things turned out (any damage, hidden costs etc.)? I am going to go ahead and set up my move with this company, but I'd still love to know more precisely what to expect on the other side. We don't have a delivery address yet either so that plan works well for us too.

Thanks again for sharing the info.

Brian

Bernie (101 posts) • 0

NEWS

When I last wrote, earthquakes were unheard of — well, almost. Our shipment of personal goods had left our apartment and I had started to cross my fingers.

Now, as I try to settle down in our new Canadian home, the shipment has arrived and there is, not surprisingly, a story to tell.

Packing, consisted of two methods; our own and the shipping company's (Air Sea Transport Inc. Kunming). We obtained many new cardboard boxes from the shipping company, supposedly designed for overseas shipping, and we packed those ourselves. Two glass-topped tables and two pieces of large wooden furniture were packed by the shipping company. Sixteen pieces all together.

I observed the above procedure and there is nothing untoward to say about it.

Eventually (and this is where things become vague) our goods were placed on three wooden pallets and plastic-wrapped. I assume that this was done at the port of loading (Hong Kong) by Air Sea Transport Inc.'s representative in Hong Kong. This is a crucial point.

The consignment was then loaded and handed over, administratively, to Roe Logistics, Montreal, who were responsible for delivery to Toronto. Initially, I received regular e-mail updates from Roe Logistics as to the whereabouts of the goods to the point of indicating a train delay in Alberta and the ETA Toronto. Here, it is important to note that ETA means Estimated Time of Arrival.

Unfortunately, at this point, the sender of the e-mail changed (with a new address) and my computer's wonderful anti-spam software sent later updates to the Junk box. Having heard nothing from Roe Logistics one week after the ETA, I sent an e-mail inquiry, which produced an immediate response stating that the goods had been waiting in the Toronto warehouse since the ETA date and, now, would be subject to overdue storage fees.

Horrified, we took a bus to the international airport at Toronto (as instructed by Roe Logistics) waited in a long queue for ages, only to be told by a gun-toting Customs officer in a bullet-poof vest that we were at the wrong office and should go to another office in the town of Brampton (near the location of the warehouse). Office closed. First day completed.

Next day, we completed the formalities at the new Customs office fairly quickly — their main interest was in Chinese alcohol which, being an intelligent person, I didn't have. Then, we took the 'cleared' forms to the Toronto office of Roe Logistics for permission to pick-up the goods from the warehouse. Unfortunately, they insisted on having the original copy of the Bill of Lading, which was with Air Sea Transport in Hong Kong. Pick-up was refused subject to a permission letter/statement from Hong Kong (who were sleeping, of course). Roe Logistics thought that this would arrive the next day. We were then asked to pay their transport and an administration cost, which was annoying because we had been assured in Kunming, repeatedly, that all costs to Toronto had been paid. There was also an argument about the difference between ETA and ATA (Actual Time of Arrival) the later seemed to be an unknown abbreviation. In addition, I asked why, when I had not replied to their lost (Junk) e-mail, they had not tried to telephone — no satisfactory answer was forthcoming. Second day completed (we needed the boxes).

Finally, the next day, I received a telephone call stating that a message had been received from Hong Kong releasing the goods to me. I telephoned my local moving company to meet me at the warehouse to move the goods to my apartment. I arrived early at the warehouse of Transpacific Container Toronto to discover that the worst had happened; most of the cardboard boxes had been crushed, some broken open, and glass broken, etc. 'Transpacific' explained that this was the condition after unloading the goods from their ship in Vancouver. Additional warehousing and administration costs were required, and the goods were moved to my apartment.

In my opinion, the crushed boxes were due to the shipper (Air Sea Transport Inc.) loading all 16 boxes onto three small pallets, thus requiring that many heavy cardboard boxes were placed on top of other cardboard boxes, none of which were designed for such an arrangement. It is interesting to note that the 'shipper' refers to the boxes as 'cartons'.

Unexpected additional costs, not counting Customs and home moving costs, amounted to ¥ 1,736.00 RMB.

Brian (17 posts) • 0

Hi Bernie,

We used this company and they picked up our stuff on Thursday morning. We shipped some glass items and wood furniture and are a little nervous after reading your post. Is there anything that you could recommend to us for the pick up process that might help things go a little more smoothly (i.e., is there anything we could do to make sure the papers are in order from HK etc?) Thanks for your post. Let us know if there are further updates, and we'll post to let everyone know what happens when we pick up our shipment (in about a month hopefully).

Bernie (101 posts) • 0

Hi Brian;

Sorry that I couldn't schedule our shipping earlier, but it seems that your's has gone now.

It seems to me that although I supervised the packing by Air Sea Transport Inc. in Kunming, and was satisfied, the problem must have been with their employees in Hong Kong -- they would have been the ones who put everything on pallets. My wife has called them (Kunming) from here but gets evasive answers -- perhaps you could find out.

The important thing is to ensure that you are holding the ORIGINAL copy of the Bill of Lading from the Hong Kong office. If you leave before it arrives, ensure that the ORIGINAL is sent to you, i.e., not a photo-copy.

If they use the same logistics company (Roe Logistics) ensure that they inform you of the ATA, not just an ETA, and provide a couple of contact phone numbers, in addition to e-mail.

For anyone else who may be reading this, if I need to repeat the process I would construct wooden frames inside the cardboard boxes.

Good luck!

johnd (1 post) • 0

We are going to be in Kunming on April 27th-29th and need to ship a frozen water sample from Kunming to Boston. I'm looking for the best way to ship a dry ice package that will arrive back in Boston within a week of shipping. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

aandt (32 posts) • 0

I am curious if anyone has any current info or more experiences with international container shipping?

sanyiseul (104 posts) • 0

I used Schenker several times in the past and everything was great. They kow how to deal with all kind if shipments and the price was always ok.

ilbertmarshall (1 post) • 0

There are international movers and local movers. The local movers are categorized into long distance movers, city movers, piano movers, furniture movers and corporate movers. Long distance movers are those moving companies, which offer assistance in moving to a new place falling beyond a distance of 100 miles.i know only one long distance mover.
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GoK Moderator (5096 posts) • 0

Every long distance mover we have ever looked at merely ship, and trans-ship. You need to arrange men at either end for the humping and dumping, which you pay separately.. And none of them gave us any confidence. We have also lost stuff when we used one, and they didn't really care, like they expected and accepted it.

We have used Asia Express twice. For inter province moves in China. They cost about double but I can highly recommend them. Very professional. They once lost a piece of a desk, and traced the item two days later, and then returned it a distance of 1000km.

They send a couple of guys down from the nearest depot to supervise the loading and also ensure that items are properly wrapped/packed and secure. For example they disassembled and bubble wrapped my ancient bike. This was final pack to make sure things are secure. They will do packing, but there is a charge for this.
They also send a guy from the nearest depot to the destination to supervise the unloading and organise a local gang to unload.

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