When I first came here in 2006, the going hourly rate was 80 kuai an hour regardless whether full-time or part-time.

The Hao...
Seriously, 80+ RMB an Hour....not worth it, while the students parents are making millions+..

If China wants to be a sustainable key player in the world's economy they must understand the fact that pretending to pay only gets employees that pretend to work..

@mike4g_air
....word!!!!

the average part time pay is 100rmb/h and that only if the school is crap, the teacher doesn't care or isn't wirth the pay.

every good teacher i know gets at least 250rmb/h or more....much more. because they are good and bring in more profit and knowledge or experience. good schools know that.

250 an hour is a bit much if a teacher is actually being contracted to work a full 40 hours per week... math wise that would end up 10,000 RMB a week, or about 40,000 per month. I know of very few people in Kunming raking in that amount, including Ph.Ds, lawyers, architects, MDs, or small biz owners.

Not to say that most teachers contract on at 40 hours a week... just a perspective on the reality of teaching is usually not a 40 hour gig. And @dudesons, there are plenty of "good" teachers who choose not to work for multi-millionaire rich Chinese parents and their spoiled kids. Plenty of people do work for less for a variety of reasons.

The high hourly wages for teaching English here are virtually all for foreign native-language speakers teaching rich kids - the average, for ordinary teachers teaching ordinary students in ordinary schools is nowhere near that. Strengthen the rich if you will, but it just makes you complicit in advancing privilege, and participating in it. In the long run the snake will swallow its tail.

I was talking about part time hours.
But as a matter of fact I get paid a much more than 250 RMB per hour if I would divide my full time hours into hourly pay.
Plus I have to say that my boss/company is very smart and exceptionally advanced [not because they pay a lot] but the way they want to put themselves on the market and establish a very good quality model in Kunming and it pays off.

Plus a good teacher is worth more than 2 or even 3 mediocre teachers and deliver [possibly] leadership skills, experience, training and expertise to all the other teachers.

Also good teacher know the whole scale of the teaching profession and don;t just drop their pencil at 4.30, complain, get stressed out and hate their jobs

The school I work for has average tuition fees compared to other facilities like that and they are aiming at the normal middle class.
But they also include kids with special needs and some of the poorer kids by outreach programs.
So no Alien you are not correct, it's the second school with programs like this i saw in Kunming. Try that with a public school the last time I checked the ADD kid in class was labeled "Crazy" and left out to rot in the public school system...yiiipee!

And if you really think that the "poor" man's schools put 60 plus students in a classroom to serve the poor people, aiming at quality and excellence, then you are plain wrong. They make more money than most private schools.
They put that many kids in the class to have more profit.
For example one of my tutor kids goes to the supposedly best middle school in kunming..blabla, they pay shit loads of money and parents rich or poor trying to get in there and their education is complete BS.
So Alien your idea is not exactly reflecting reality..
Those schools cash in big time and they pay all teachers, foreign or Chinese, peanuts. Why because they can, private schools have an image to protect,....if they care!

Actually working for a preschool before I was involved into some market research and we found out that in the long run private schools are much cheaper, by far!!!!

And yes Alien I am steering this profit ship straight into the next financial crisis.
That is not how the education business works in China.

@atwilden
Yeah I worked for poorer parents and schools for many years as well and it is the exact same thing, when I found out what a rip off it is and how the profits and pay is distributed I left. Because I was under the illusion they serve for the better of the community.

Plus their kids are equally spoiled and messed up and so are their parents.

Here is a calculation we did in 2007.
One hour costs the parents at least 20RMB per hour in a public or poor peoples school. At that was already a very moderate estimate at that time, so it's more likely 40 RMB per hour, disregarding the subject.
Plus food uniforms management fees, enrollment fees, hongbao's etc...
multiply that by at least 40 students per class more realistically 50 students. and you will get at about 10,000RMB per class per day. Then you might wonder why those school have huge buildings and dozens of classrooms anyway multiply by whatever classes they have and then .....voila!!!
Compare that with your normal Private school and you will come to the surprising conclusion, they all make the same. So working for the rich is actually working for the poor.
Plus you won't get material and resources, spending hours in preparation even hand sketching flashcards because you won;t get a printer or the printer is broken and not been fixed for 8 month until the foreign teachers collect some fixing cash. And then labeled as rich wannabe's by the principal for actually doing something.

Nope thank you, I like to teach normal people and working for a normal boss, getting paid fairly, and work my a** off to show that I am worth the pay.

As a student who is graduating, 5000 rmb is a big sum for me

@TheDudeson's..
are you teaching English?