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can you give me some serious Business Portal? for metals.

thanks.

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Regret you were scammed - but these things are common. You were scammed, because you failed to do sufficient DUE DILIGENCE on your client. DUE DILIGENCE is a professional legal process - there are MANY website references on the processes, but start by looking at the UN (UNIDO), Asia Development Bank (ADB), World Bank, etc to see how they do DUE DILIGENCE - those multilateral and international banks should have world class processes, as they were also heavily scammed in their fledgling years.

STANDARD PRELIMINARY DUE DILIGENCE FOR FOREIGN COUNTRIES
1. They should have taken you to their main office, to give you a video overview/presentation of the company, along with some company materials, such as their latest annual report, brochures, etc.
2. You SHOULD have met them at their main office, in their corporate meeting room. Also - when you stay at a hotel - it should be a hotel of YOUR choosing, preferably a FIVE star well known international hotel, such as the Intercontinental Hotel for Kunming as their English is passable. Ask the concierge or the business office to help you find the business address and phone number of the company. If you have ANY problems - always call the hotel's concierge. They cannot help you with business problems, but they can send police or taxis to get you.
3. You should visit the business office yourself, without assistance - take a taxi with the concierge's help. Make sure you have the address and company name printed in Chinese AND the hotel's business card, for getting back to the hotel.
4. Your OWN translator. You should ALWAYS have your own translator and your OWN lawyer present for negotiations and contract execution.

5. NEVER allow yourself to be pressured - just walk away. There is NO excuse for being pressured into executing a contract and NO excuse for executing a contract that has not been properly vetted by a professional attorney.

Finally - if you're doing business in China, your contracts should be in Chinese, with a foreign language translation. HOWEVER, the Chinese contract supersedes, in the event of dispute. If you try to use a foreign language contract in China - chances are REALLY good your case will NEVER make it to court - the judge will just keep pushing it back at you for arbitration with your new enemy, as the courts are NOT equipped nor competent to make decisions based on a foreign language contract.

This would be akin to me trying to make the language of choice for a contract in Russia - Chinese. The courts wouldn't know what to do with it.

Anyway - your groups/company's due diligence process is non-existent, making you an easy target for scammers.

Also - learn about the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act (FCPA) and the Anti-Money Laundering Act (AML) from the OECD.org website. Nominal gifts (such as cigarettes, alcohol, candies, etc) are a courtesy - which you would bring from your home country. But you NEVER buy gifts or pay for restaurants NOT of your choosing in a foreign country - that's either corruption or a scam.

As HFCAMPO notes - this is not uncommon - if you still wish to do business in China or with Kun Steel - read HFCAMPO's link, look for representative office partners, if possible - but also beware scammers in that sector.

Again - your DUE DILIGENCE process basically sucks - fix that - document your due diligence process, before you venture outside again.

holy fuck. immcom DELETE those invitation letters from dropbox like NOW. names, age, visa number,.country, sex. and passport numbers are visable!!!

tomorrow ill contact the phone numbers on the invite list. since this happened back in april im sure they shut down shop and changed area, ill try my best though.

i have nothing to hide - from the beginning.

i will public their accounts - all the rest can be faked, not Name and account.

i have nothing to hide - from the beginning.

i will public their accounts - all the rest can be faked, not Name and account.

read this www.419eater.com/html/419faq.htm it might save you frm waking up with a sore butt again

First these people are NOT scammers they are crooks and thief's. They operate all over China but are common in Kunming too. There are government resources any one can use if they choose to. The local police here have busted these type guys in the past. I know of one instance in the coal industry where they arrested a whole group. The Yunnan Department of Commerce has a complaint department on Beijing Lu. We have a PSB or Public Security Bureau and some of them speak fluent English on Tuo Dong Lu. There is a Yunnan Chamber of Commerce. Most every country has a national chamber of commerce and the consulates or embassies have commercial officers. All resources for help.

Second, Every time I see these complaints in person or on GoKm I see the same common alarm signals already mentioned in these forums over and over. The so called "Chinese business" model is simple it has one goal to separate the foreigner from some money in essence small change. Coal, iron ore, design, oil tanks, concrete plants, wood pallets are a few I have seen in recent years. Some we worked on an saved those business a lot of money, time and trouble. Some were already here but did not pay the crooks.

Third, and perhaps another forum topic or two. Why do foreign companies come here to do some kind of business knowing nothing about Yunnan or little about China and NEVER ask anyone who has experience and success here for help?
Why do even big companies come here set up a business and never ask those who have years of experience in this unique great province?