nother diot conspuracy tehory

@tuna: laotou is correct. I don't know where you get "japan and china hate each other, since the beginning of time." There was trade and contacts between the Tang Dynasty as well as war. But China's cultural influence on Japan is noticeable even to the untrained eye. In the Page Museum in Golden Gate Park there a display of Chinese ceramics arranged chronologically. There you can see, in the Tang Dynasty period, ceramics in the chrysanthemum pattern that can be found as symbolic of Japanese culture.

My opinion has long been that if you remove both Chinese and Western elements from Japanese culture what remains would be poor indeed.

@HFCAMPO
you are using examples that don.t reflect the reality of the problem. and...again only U.S. based thinking.

monsanto...bill gates couldn.t care less. coz they can afford it. imagine you are a small company spending 50 to 70 percent investment, or profit into R&D. then you find your copied product in china. a place you never set foot in, or planned to. you get those fake products sent to your warranty department. just to be able to say it.s not ours....it.s fake.

the consumer will be angry at you and not the seller of fake goods and trash your products in reviews and even try to sue you.

some of those companies even try to send their original product in order to control bad reputations. giving away more of the technology than they want to. or produce a line of lower grade products to bait and show in exhibitions. and then use the real new stuff for trusted customers.

is that what you want? or prefer? who do you think will be the winner in this....?
exactly....all the big corps., you so.much despise. so enjoy your illegal copies...lol

that is more of a reality.

Dazzer - any reason why you feel the need to attack me for my personal views - nother diot conspuracy tehory.

Why do you care about what I think. I am not saying anything about your comments although I personally think they are ridiculous. Why not let people speak their minds on this forum in peace without making personal attacks towards them just because their opinions may differ from yours.

This is how the forum battles begin - why not live and let live.

"to bait and show in exhibitions".
I had not realised the need for this until the following happened.
My wife was Chief Rep for a UK cosmetics firm in Shanghai. The company was developing a new product, that wasn't in production yet. In a display case at a trade show they displayed the packaging (bottle and box) for the product (and even that could have changed).

Three weeks later, one of the trade customers showed my wife the fake product that they had found at a trade market in the city. Obviously the contents were fake, as only the packaging had been displayed. But the packaging was a good copy.
BTW the company was not a big corporation like L'Oreal, but a small family founded company from Somerset, that made mostly OEM products for retailers like Next, M&S.

Another real example.
My nephew's wife started designing and making costume jewellery at uni to help pay the bills. She now earns a modest income from this.
She spends more time chasing copies on taobao etc., and going after the copiers, than she does making product.
Currently, because of changes in the Chinese legal attitude to IPR, she does get protection and action is taken. This would not have been the case 10 years ago.

everyone copies, but maybe western companies don't release the exact same product.

if canon invents a new thing for their cameras, other camera companies will reverse engineer it, then re-create a similar but not exact copy and release it in a later model. but maybe with other new features to hide the fact.

it's inevitable. you cannot expect to be putting things out there without competitors copying.

the other thing is that a company's success, IMAO (in my asshole opinion), is not just the product. why do some restaurants selling the same food do better than others? how they treat and pay staff, management style, how you package it, discounts, marketing, customer service... are all factors in the success of a company.

@Magnifico
You have raised valid points. Heck just go to 121 street(computer street) where they sell the same thing in each store. What makes one better than the other?

talking about this, did you guys read the news about the range rover evoque

being copied by a local car model x7

@magnifico
these factors indeed matter, but still they come after a competive product.

most of the things, companies can adapt in a few days if not weeks. but taking away the next generation of product is a huge damage.

i am seeing more and more cases where the IP theft killed the company.

especially if you are in the innovating mid sized company, it.s more gambling than developing. now in germany as a company, you can get free advise from the domestic secret service, on how to protect yourself from IP theft.